Fishfiles 20,145 Posted January 28, 2021 Myself , I think I would quit all work and panning out money on this project till I got that bill of sale and vin number sorted out , I ran the vin on the bill of sale thru a National Data base and nothing came up , that included sales , salvage , insurance , theft , etc , etc , only bit of information came up from that was , that vin number was a Honda TRX450S ATV that was built in the USA I know the way it works down here , if it is deemed stolen , you as the buyer have no recourse then to give it up and lose all your money and take it up with the seller ---- I hope it is just a mistake of some kind , are you still able to contact the seller if needed ? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Melatv 790 Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) Hi: Buy a new 30 amp inline fuse holder to replace the one that you are removing the 30 fuse from and it starts again. If you can't find a 30 amp fuse holder buy a 25 amp one but still use a 30 amp fuse. Edited January 28, 2021 by Melatv 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freebo86 291 Posted January 28, 2021 On 1/27/2021 at 11:07 AM, _Wilson_™ said: Canada model is what i was thinking too.... we ran into kind of the same with @freebo86 04 450es ... on the brake light harness. Someone say my name? 🙂 The brake light harness was in fact what mine had, I tested it and the light comes on with Foot or Hand Brake. Looks and works great. The bike itself? Not so much, still have issues. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeepwm69 7,606 Posted January 28, 2021 Here's my guess. The fuse was good but wasn't making a good connection. When you unplugged it and plugged it back in, it started making a connection again. And you might have had a frame swapped in at some point. I've done several frame swaps to date with another on deck (the 06 I bought with a bubba'd frame is going to get a new used frame that I got from @1080PowersportsPartsLLC). My 09 I bought new, sister and her idiot friend hit a tree doing about 35MPH and bent the frame. Had 600 miles on it at the time. I bought a used frame from someone parting a machine over on the old Foreman board and swapped everything over. My 06 the swingarm threads stripped out and wouldn't hold the bolts, so I picked up a used frame and swapped everything from the old frame to the "new" one. I figure if I get in a bind I can cut the rear half off of the 09 frame (only the front is bent) and have it welded to the front of the 06 frame (front is fine, only issue is the swingarm threads) Point being if you have an S frame with an ES machine, chances are either the original frame was rusted out/bent/messed up and everything was swapped, or the original ES machine was stolen and they swapped everything to a "clean" frame. I can usually get a feeling from a shady seller if something isn't right, but then again it could have changed hands 10 times since it was new. Really not any way for you to know if you don't know the prior owners where you can get the history. Swapping everything over is a PITA unless you're doing a full clean up/rebuild anyway. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fishfiles 20,145 Posted January 28, 2021 @Melatv and @jeepwm69 sound like they are onto something , the fuse holder not making good connection As far as the vin number goes , there might be a problem with the vin coder , a typo might not be showing the E , just showing the S ---- 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jemmons467 179 Posted January 28, 2021 So I looked at the registration and on the registration it goes E2240Y where as the bill of sale says E2204Y. The 40Y shows an ES machine for me, so it might just be a typo on the BOS. Again I will pull the winch to double check. I also plan on buying a new inline fuse this weekend then wrapping it all back up. Also here is a picture I snapped of the engine last night. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LedFTed 1,127 Posted January 29, 2021 On 1/25/2021 at 6:49 PM, Fishfiles said: i've seen something like that diagram before. like that its in color.. 🙂 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jemmons467 179 Posted January 29, 2021 On 1/27/2021 at 8:17 PM, retro said: Sorry it took me all day to get here... I dug out a 2000 450 ES harness and my harness matches Fishfiles' harness. I only have one 30a Main fuse inside the small weatherproof box with two red wires to that main fuse. I have the inline 30a shift motor fuse as well. One orange wire from the inline fuse has continuity with the harness positive on the solenoid, same as yours. Thank you for pulling out the harness. It seems everyone has just one fuse in the box with the red wires, I wonder why I have 2? I'll get it running and just pull one fuse at a time and see what quits working haha 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Melatv 790 Posted January 29, 2021 21 minutes ago, Jemmons467 said: Thank you for pulling out the harness. It seems everyone has just one fuse in the box with the red wires, I wonder why I have 2? I'll get it running and just pull one fuse at a time and see what quits working haha If you only have 2 red wires from it the other 30amp fuse is a spare 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jemmons467 179 Posted January 29, 2021 @Melatv that crossed my mind, I never really looked at it to see either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jemmons467 179 Posted January 30, 2021 I put in a new waterproof 30 amp inline fuse, redid some other connections and used heat shrink tube all all of them. So far so good with shifting. As always I will keep everyone updated 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Melatv 790 Posted January 30, 2021 Good news -- now enjoy -- have fun -- be safe 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_Wilson_™ 6,566 Posted January 30, 2021 could it be that simple ? you gave us the clue .. when you said you pulled the fuse out stuck it back in, and it started shifting again. thanks for the update.. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jemmons467 179 Posted January 30, 2021 1 hour ago, _Wilson_™ said: could it be that simple ? you gave us the clue .. when you said you pulled the fuse out stuck it back in, and it started shifting again. thanks for the update.. So the inline fuse did have a small cut in it near the fuse itself so that could have also been a factor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
retro 4,048 Posted January 30, 2021 Congrats, thanks for letting us know how you fixed it! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bcsman 1,382 Posted January 31, 2021 Congrats, hopefully the problem has been fixed now with the things you have accomplished. Jemmons there was some confusion as to the shift motor that's installed. Is the OEM motor in there or the cheaper motor that you had mentioned? It will help troubleshooting should you have another problem with shifting.... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jemmons467 179 Posted January 31, 2021 58 minutes ago, bcsman said: Congrats, hopefully the problem has been fixed now with the things you have accomplished. Jemmons there was some confusion as to the shift motor that's installed. Is the OEM motor in there or the cheaper motor that you had mentioned? It will help troubleshooting should you have another problem with shifting.... I put a cheaper motor in it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bcsman 1,382 Posted January 31, 2021 Just now, Jemmons467 said: I put a cheaper motor in it. I was pretty sure you had not put the OEM back in. More than likely the OEM is still good, hopefully you didnt throw it away.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jemmons467 179 Posted January 31, 2021 1 hour ago, bcsman said: I was pretty sure you had not put the OEM back in. More than likely the OEM is still good, hopefully you didnt throw it away.... I do still have it, I am just missing a spring for it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_Wilson_™ 6,566 Posted January 31, 2021 hm...... this got me to thinking ... (dangerous i know ) so could it be ... running that china shift motor caused the inline fuse issue to start with ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jemmons467 179 Posted January 31, 2021 8 hours ago, _Wilson_™ said: hm...... this got me to thinking ... (dangerous i know ) so could it be ... running that china shift motor caused the inline fuse issue to start with ? It could but I never thought to try pulling the fuse before I replaced the motor. Before I replaced the fuse it drove great for several days and then I didn't ride it for 2 and it wouldn't shift when I tried. Thats when I happened to pull the fuse and it worked again. If it does it again I think I will swap the old motor back in and see how that holds up. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slowindown 494 Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) If he had problems with it shifting before he put the Chinese shift motor in, then the shift motor didn’t cause the problem. Edited January 31, 2021 by slowindown 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_Wilson_™ 6,566 Posted January 31, 2021 could be, but i think it came with an aftermarket china shift motor..but what was the shift motor that was in the bike when he purchased ? it, so could it have been a china , or oem ... the next motor he says came from amazon, so hard to tell, if the original was an oem, or not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jemmons467 179 Posted January 31, 2021 This is the one I pulled out of it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jemmons467 179 Posted February 22, 2021 Update. Bike is running and shifting great. I have plowed with it a few times and have been out in the fields in the snow. When it has been really cold out it will shift a little slow but shifts fine when warmed up. Again thanks for every ones help. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
