Bossdaddy 209 Posted August 12, 2021 Fishfiles, it never acted up with me but I didn't have it long before this happened. The bolt got beat up with the vice-grips I used to extract it. Wilson it came out no trouble. There was enough bolt sticking out that I could get the Pliers on it and it came on out, it did have thread locker on it , it was tight all the way out. My problem now is getting one here in a few days, nobody has it in stock so will be next week before I can get one. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeepwm69 7,600 Posted August 12, 2021 Well done getting it out. Glad you found the problem Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bossdaddy 209 Posted August 12, 2021 Thanks Jeep, just thankful that is the problem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadetree 5,880 Posted August 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Bossdaddy said: Fishfiles, it never acted up with me but I didn't have it long before this happened. The bolt got beat up with the vice-grips I used to extract it. Wilson it came out no trouble. There was enough bolt sticking out that I could get the Pliers on it and it came on out, it did have thread locker on it , it was tight all the way out. My problem now is getting one here in a few days, nobody has it in stock so will be next week before I can get one. if you are near a lowes or homedepot ?, they got metric bolts in stock..ya don't have to use a honda/japan bolt !..lol. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bossdaddy 209 Posted August 12, 2021 Thanks, I'll go get one. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_Wilson_™ 6,563 Posted August 12, 2021 4 hours ago, Bossdaddy said: The bolt got beat up with the vice-grips I used to extract it. Wilson it came out no trouble. There was enough bolt sticking out that I could get the Pliers on it and it came on out, it did have thread locker on it , it was tight all the way out glad you were able to extract it, i can't say I've ever come across a full thread bolt that twisted off below the surface, least not i can recall right off hand. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bossdaddy 209 Posted August 13, 2021 You would think it took quite a bit of pressure from something to pop the head off like it did. I didn't get a chance to go and try to find a bolt this afternoon maybe tomorrow. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bossdaddy 209 Posted August 15, 2021 Shadetree, I went to Lowes and they do carry metric bolts, nuts and screws but they only had the 8.8 grade and not the 10.9 grade, they were out, so I was afraid the get the weaker bolt, still may be better than the Japanese made but I didn't want to take a chance after going this far, got one coming from Honda first part of next week. Thanks for the heads up I'll be using them for other things, I never thought to look at Lowes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bossdaddy 209 Posted August 17, 2021 Does anybody use Valvoline ATV 10w40 oil in their 450's ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeepwm69 7,600 Posted August 17, 2021 I've used in my my 500's. Worked just fine. I got a bunch of it at Walmarks on clearance for $1 a bottle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bossdaddy 209 Posted August 18, 2021 Thanks Jeep, I've got so many to get ready for planting and hunting season I thought I might give it a try. I'm still waiting on parts for the 2004 repairs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bcsman 1,381 Posted August 18, 2021 Is there any made for Honda wet clutches oil that people have used that doesn't work? If so it would be good to know.. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeepwm69 7,600 Posted August 18, 2021 34 minutes ago, bcsman said: Is there any made for Honda wet clutches oil that people have used that doesn't work? If so it would be good to know.. I've used Mobil 4T, Rotella T4 and T6,, and the Valvoline ATV oil. No issues with any of those. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bcsman 1,381 Posted August 18, 2021 23 minutes ago, jeepwm69 said: I've used Mobil 4T, Rotella T4 and T6,, and the Valvoline ATV oil. No issues with any of those. Yes have heard of quite a few brands used with no issues, obviously non wet clutch oils don't count... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bossdaddy 209 Posted August 20, 2021 Well I got the new bolt in and installed it, everything was looking good but when torqueing it at less than 12 ft lbs it broke. This time I wasn't as lucky as last time, it broke off just barely down in the shift drum. I started drilling it out and bit has veered off a little to one side and has turned into a mess. I don't know if I can got my pilot hole back in the middle or not. I think this baby may end up in the parts department. I don't have a parts department so maybe this will be a good start. I think I'll go give it another try, wish me luck. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bcsman 1,381 Posted August 20, 2021 Not sure what the torque value is for that bolt but sounds kinda strange unless the bolt was not designed for the job. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bossdaddy 209 Posted August 20, 2021 I think it torques to 12 ft lbs, that does seem high and I may have gotten the torque wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bcsman 1,381 Posted August 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Bossdaddy said: I think it torques to 12 ft lbs, that does seem high and I may have gotten the torque wrong. Did the bolt go in with no problems until you torqued it? I don't have the SM handy right now to look for the value.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bossdaddy 209 Posted August 20, 2021 The bolt went in over half way with my fingers then started to get snug, probably the old thread locker, in hind sight I should have chased the threads but it never crossed my mind. You can go back to page one of this thread and see the pictures/drawings retro sent me and the torque vales are on the last page showing the bolt. This bolt is nothing special they are all over this bike. If I can get it out it will be done differently the next time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fishfiles 20,145 Posted August 20, 2021 Bummer , you should have not used a torque wrench , I think the torque wrench hurts a lot more people than it helps ------ It looks like that bolt was suppose to torque at 12NM ( Newton Meters ) accprding to that page Retro linked which is about 8.85 ft lbs , most foot pound torque wrenches don't even go lower than about 10-15 ft lbs on the scale ------- an inch pound torque wrench should have been used for that low a value , 8.85 ft lb x 12 inches equals 106.2 inch pounds or 12 NM Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bossdaddy 209 Posted August 20, 2021 Thanks Fishfiles, Like I said if I can get it out things will be different. I think I'm going to try and put the heat to the drum, I can barely get a hold of the bolt with needle nose plyers and if that don't work I am reluctant to weld on it but what have I got to lose. The drum is steel so it can go south real quick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
retro 4,048 Posted August 20, 2021 An Easy-out bit might get that bolt out if it wasn't treated with Red Loctite when it broke off. If it was red loctited then drilling and tapping is your only option unless you can heat the bolt up to about 550 degrees F. and then an easy-out should get it. When you put a new bolt in it just red loctite the threads and tighten the bolt up tight by hand. I never use a torque wrench on those they just gotta be tight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bossdaddy 209 Posted August 20, 2021 (edited) The hole is not deep enough for a ease out to bite, maybe grind the ease out down, I don't know. I put blue thread lock on it not red. Edited August 20, 2021 by Bossdaddy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
retro 4,048 Posted August 20, 2021 Or drill the bolt all the way through... will an easy-out bite on it then? Is the bolt close enough to the top of the threaded hole to weld a thick flat washer onto the end of the bolt shank? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeepwm69 7,600 Posted August 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Bossdaddy said: , I can barely get a hold of the bolt with needle nose plyers Can you cut a slot in the bolt with a dremel? Use a flat head to back it out? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites