_Wilson_™ 6,563 Posted July 16, 2021 my thinking on this might be off, but when these are welded / fabricated wouldn't there be some draw, (push and pull) on the metal ? i know welding on things in the past, I've had this happen, but never bad enough to really cause a fitting issue. fish ^^^^ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fishfiles 20,145 Posted July 16, 2021 25 minutes ago, _Wilson_™ said: my thinking on this might be off, but when these are welded / fabricated wouldn't there be some draw, (push and pull) on the metal ? i know welding on things in the past, I've had this happen, but never bad enough to really cause a fitting issue. fish ^^^^ You would think Honda's quality control would take warpage into consideration ---- I think it is more a weak point issue , maybe some atvs get ridden by fat guys or riding double up , some riding hard going air borne , who knows , seen 3 450 pics today , Shade's and two of mine and they are all tight , no gap and then Freebo's got a 1/2 inch + gap 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freebo86 291 Posted July 17, 2021 17 hours ago, Fishfiles said: You would think Honda's quality control would take warpage into consideration ---- I think it is more a weak point issue , maybe some atvs get ridden by fat guys or riding double up , some riding hard going air borne , who knows , seen 3 450 pics today , Shade's and two of mine and they are all tight , no gap and then Freebo's got a 1/2 inch + gap Nah, the gap is like 3/16”. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fishfiles 20,145 Posted July 17, 2021 This must be a Canadian 3/16 !!! 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freebo86 291 Posted July 17, 2021 I guess your looking at the old photo. After I took it apart and I did another go at it. Like I said, the more I thread the pivot in the more of a gap. So i took it out, and used fingers to go hand tight then my 3/8a torque wrench to get to to 7ft lbs. this is how it sits now with 3/16s left side Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadetree 5,880 Posted July 17, 2021 40 minutes ago, freebo86 said: I guess your looking at the old photo. After I took it apart and I did another go at it. Like I said, the more I thread the pivot in the more of a gap. So i took it out, and used fingers to go hand tight then my 3/8a torque wrench to get to to 7ft lbs. this is how it sits now with 3/16s left side left side is good, right side is not correct. in the first pic you posted, with the very large gap, i just looked at it again, and from the pic , it looks to me that i see part of the bearing sticking out past the swing arm ?, this might be way out there ?, but for my sanity , is there any chance the swing arm bearing is either not pressed all the way into the swing arm ?, or maybe the swing arm bearing has been double stacked ?. i say this, because i know for a fact, there should not be a bearing sticking out past the end of the swing arm !. what should be inside there, is the inner tin plate ( grease ), outer bearing race, inner bearing race ( some are tapered, some are flat ) then the dust seal, which in most cases are pressed in flush with the swing arm edge. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fishfiles 20,145 Posted July 17, 2021 You know I love to beat a dead horse , LOL , looks like the gap in this pic of the other side is Canadian on top and USA standard on the bottom , i suffer from OCD , LOL 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freebo86 291 Posted July 17, 2021 Can someone measure me what the distance is front left side of frame to ride side of frame (inside dimensions of where the swing arm pivots). Let’s see if the frame is spreading. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadetree 5,880 Posted July 17, 2021 52 minutes ago, freebo86 said: Can someone measure me what the distance is front left side of frame to ride side of frame (inside dimensions of where the swing arm pivots). Let’s see if the frame is spreading. sure can, brb with measurements Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadetree 5,880 Posted July 17, 2021 kinda hard to get the tape measure in the correct spot ?, but it looked like 10 3/4 inside edge to inside edge to the frame right there where the swing arm bolts up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fishfiles 20,145 Posted July 17, 2021 Like mentioned , sometimes when it ain't just right ----- you just got to " Send It " ---- what's the worst can happen , it's already funked up ---- LOL --- you know we love you Freebo , if I didn't , I wouldn't mess with you 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadetree 5,880 Posted July 17, 2021 37 minutes ago, Fishfiles said: Like mentioned , sometimes when it ain't just right ----- you just got to " Send It " ---- what's the worst can happen , it's already funked up ---- LOL --- you know we love you Freebo , if I didn't , I wouldn't mess with you i still would like to know if the right side has been double stacked with swing arm bearings ?!..lol. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fishfiles 20,145 Posted July 17, 2021 7 hours ago, shadetree said: i still would like to know if the right side has been double stacked with swing arm bearings ?!..lol. That's a good thought -------- I have that 95 300 , the previous owner didn't get the outer race out of the lower steering shaft bearing , I rode the bike like that for a long time before the bearing went out , and it bent that lower bearing support , that was when I found it in there , that had also changed to a shorter steering shaft to make the upper bushing line up , you never know what them previous owner are up too , dirty rotten scoundrels that bunch ----- 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fishfiles 20,145 Posted July 17, 2021 I can't help to notice that some weird , off the wall stuff happens to follow Freebo , my grandma use to always preach " you mess with them Kiodels and your going to get fleas " , hope none of dat weird stuff rubs off 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeepwm69 7,600 Posted July 18, 2021 Just looks like threads showing in that gap to me. Gap now looks like several I’ve had. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadetree 5,880 Posted July 18, 2021 2 hours ago, jeepwm69 said: Just looks like threads showing in that gap to me. Gap now looks like several I’ve had. look at the edge of the swing arm..pay no attention to the bolt threads. i see the edge of what looks like ?, the outer edge of the bearing sticking out past the edge with some grease smeared on it. this is in his first pic he posted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadetree 5,880 Posted July 18, 2021 op, loosen the right side bolt on the swing arm most of the way out of frame, then take a 2 inch ratchet strap, and attach it to the frame under there, see if you can pull the frame together ?. if not ?, then send it. if it goes in a good ways ?, then put the swing arm bolt back in, and tighten it back in the swing arm bearing, then tighten the lock nut back down. it does not take much pressure at all to push the frame apart..even at 7 lbs of force !. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freebo86 291 Posted July 18, 2021 12 hours ago, shadetree said: i still would like to know if the right side has been double stacked with swing arm bearings ?!..lol. mine are the tapered style bearings Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Melatv 788 Posted July 18, 2021 Hi; Did you remove the old tapper bearing cone? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freebo86 291 Posted July 18, 2021 On 7/18/2021 at 7:14 AM, Melatv said: Hi; Did you remove the old tapper bearing cone? What do you mean? I had pulled the bearings out to clean them off. This is the only photo I have of them reinstalled when I greased it all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Melatv 788 Posted July 18, 2021 Hi: Did the new bearing come with the cone also? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freebo86 291 Posted July 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, Melatv said: Hi: Did the new bearing come with the cone also? I reused my existing ones as they moved freely. I just cleaned them up. They were OEM Made in Japan ones. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadetree 5,880 Posted July 18, 2021 1 minute ago, freebo86 said: I reused my existing ones as they moved freely. I just cleaned them up. They were OEM Made in Japan ones. do you have a photo of the right side while apart ?, i want to see the right side of the swing arm. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freebo86 291 Posted July 18, 2021 On 7/18/2021 at 11:33 AM, shadetree said: do you have a photo of the right side while apart ?, i want to see the right side of the swing arm. I usually take lots of photos but on this project I didnt.. this is all I have.. why what are you thinking? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadetree 5,880 Posted July 19, 2021 On 7/18/2021 at 11:49 AM, freebo86 said: I usually take lots of photos but on this project I didnt.. this is all I have.. why what are you thinking? i wanted to see the right side of the swing arm, so i could see if the swing arm bearings were double stacked or not ?. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
