1992 350D Starting problems

[jeepwm69 7,600]

https://www.partzilla.com/product/honda/91051-HA7-651?ref=98bd5723f95d222aa7bf96cb91be48bae7e4e84c

 

Looks like 30x54x24

[shadetree 5,880]

3 hours ago, TrxPipUK said:

Anyone know what size bearings I need for the front wheels? Had to destroy mine to get them out. 

according to partzilla's fich --- > # 24 shows to be 30x54x24 ---> https://www.partzilla.com/catalog/honda/atv/1989/trx350d-a/knuckle . pretty sure these wheel bearings are a double roll bearing , or was ?..lol.

[shadetree 5,880]

don't use partzilla to order from !!!..not unless you want to die b4 the parts arrive ?!..lol.

[TrxPipUK 169]

Thanks @jeepwm69 and @shadetree.

Gonna see if I can find some decent bearings that size 🙂

[TrxPipUK 169]

Anyone got any tips on how to get the wheel bearings and seals out? Tried prying them out with a screwdriver but they won't budge. 

[jeepwm69 7,600]

Clamp them in a vice, pry harder.  They just press into place.

 

Or you can get a seal puller.

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Professional-Seal-Puller-Oil-Grease-Seals-2-Size-Tips-Tool-Extractor-Mechanics/401163750911?epid=1879952500&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item5d67390dff:g:PMMAAOSwbVdbn~O9&amdata=enc%3AAQAFAAACYBaobrjLl8XobRIiIML1V4Imu%2Fn%2BzU5L90Z278x5ickkTboA95HSvGa1O5UmCCGJLuFV5JeG20sBXNgC241YKEbz2GzkYKlyNF6zVR0iRXj7ccLU%2BxQsWYWoArTLSXG6gLZ4qw4MUSC0Gi4GuRp2rK%2BCB4OU3KXYcvZK%2BFeTVoQVDexXuX8AnvTbEFTnFx2TGreD44XhDkQwNhZT72UkApWXlPi6IVpDq3ufikxptPaqsubMc6dQmQyhQOjATaTrCQnkM%2Fwx8qTC1MNS9EOT76VAsv5WaLCqr4NHrTXMaPmNYJtNWUzS8C7iYLNy8Y5hygokU9ZW23ac4USn4AgExvzLEui2Cfw%2BfRusLOu4uo7mCsqBPIZx5dpCEdC0xcvBpEoF2fpD089gKnTyE6Haw1NBtF24246IUPwKyqRkedjgl4O85avxd1oUncSa557BXOWm97REVxSdbRE8UONijWi%2BFkwP6byyJP4joNMG7dt9FNfNnqvvQdteobWTlcqJQRI0NXtLdlOLeH9NFB6hQDBMKyge5GQ5xL4fbozAR13aAX9sFk4uxbOhcyy7hfl7I20A1MWzL%2B5lOC33W%2Fj%2BK3dIRVcpzcx3NVo0a70yi%2BGX10bc8vR4gkCcbPFUrf%2B0%2BBMpCD2P%2B%2F%2BBXNna7RbELHf1HSDBn3tKr0PqxUhXRcivCdXZeZzAZxubd2mUILtSbmFgrypBgr%2B5KLAHeXCSPqHgrhEjZQPDqZYFmpu%2FTNJ7oMfQRA%2FfWXlt1Q%2BEr%2FxewgYRnN9tcChBYNrGveM4ahypsrN2mcjnDuXVadMPuOIN|cksum%3A401163750911b4b0c0c47cba46d6bd2d83de561fd99b|ampid%3APL_CLK|clp%3A2334524

 

 

[shadetree 5,880]

2 hours ago, TrxPipUK said:

Anyone got any tips on how to get the wheel bearings and seals out? Tried prying them out with a screwdriver but they won't budge. 

you have to pull the outside dust seal, then remove the large cir-clip !..lol. it presses out the front side.

[shadetree 5,880]

2 hours ago, jeepwm69 said:

Clamp them in a vice, pry harder.  They just press into place.

 

Or you can get a seal puller.

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Professional-Seal-Puller-Oil-Grease-Seals-2-Size-Tips-Tool-Extractor-Mechanics/401163750911?epid=1879952500&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item5d67390dff:g:PMMAAOSwbVdbn~O9&amdata=enc%3AAQAFAAACYBaobrjLl8XobRIiIML1V4Imu%2Fn%2BzU5L90Z278x5ickkTboA95HSvGa1O5UmCCGJLuFV5JeG20sBXNgC241YKEbz2GzkYKlyNF6zVR0iRXj7ccLU%2BxQsWYWoArTLSXG6gLZ4qw4MUSC0Gi4GuRp2rK%2BCB4OU3KXYcvZK%2BFeTVoQVDexXuX8AnvTbEFTnFx2TGreD44XhDkQwNhZT72UkApWXlPi6IVpDq3ufikxptPaqsubMc6dQmQyhQOjATaTrCQnkM%2Fwx8qTC1MNS9EOT76VAsv5WaLCqr4NHrTXMaPmNYJtNWUzS8C7iYLNy8Y5hygokU9ZW23ac4USn4AgExvzLEui2Cfw%2BfRusLOu4uo7mCsqBPIZx5dpCEdC0xcvBpEoF2fpD089gKnTyE6Haw1NBtF24246IUPwKyqRkedjgl4O85avxd1oUncSa557BXOWm97REVxSdbRE8UONijWi%2BFkwP6byyJP4joNMG7dt9FNfNnqvvQdteobWTlcqJQRI0NXtLdlOLeH9NFB6hQDBMKyge5GQ5xL4fbozAR13aAX9sFk4uxbOhcyy7hfl7I20A1MWzL%2B5lOC33W%2Fj%2BK3dIRVcpzcx3NVo0a70yi%2BGX10bc8vR4gkCcbPFUrf%2B0%2BBMpCD2P%2B%2F%2BBXNna7RbELHf1HSDBn3tKr0PqxUhXRcivCdXZeZzAZxubd2mUILtSbmFgrypBgr%2B5KLAHeXCSPqHgrhEjZQPDqZYFmpu%2FTNJ7oMfQRA%2FfWXlt1Q%2BEr%2FxewgYRnN9tcChBYNrGveM4ahypsrN2mcjnDuXVadMPuOIN|cksum%3A401163750911b4b0c0c47cba46d6bd2d83de561fd99b|ampid%3APL_CLK|clp%3A2334524

 

 

noooo..they just dont press into place ?..NOT UNTIL YOU REMOVE THE CIR-CLIP UNDER THE FRONT DUST SEAL !..LOL. then it presses out the front side.

[jeepwm69 7,600]

11 minutes ago, shadetree said:

noooo..they just dont press into place ?..NOT UNTIL YOU REMOVE THE CIR-CLIP UNDER THE FRONT DUST SEAL !..LOL. then it presses out the front side.

 

Yeah yeah. I was referring to the seals.  Thus the seal puller.

But you are correct, he's gonna need to remove the circlip and press the bearing out after he pries the seals out.

[TrxPipUK 169]

Thanks guys! Managed to get them out. Punched them out with a screwdriver and hammer 👍🏻. Is that lip on the inside of the knuckle meant to be left in? Can't figure out if it's part of the knuckle or not?

[_Wilson_™ 6,563]

that lip in the bottom ? yes that's part of the knuckle. 

[TrxPipUK 169]

Just now, _Wilson_™ said:

that lip in the bottom ? yes that's part of the knuckle. 

Great, good to know. Thanks man! 🙂

[TrxPipUK 169]

Another question lol... Is this seal on the front drum replaceable? Can't see how it would come off, looks to be part of the drum itself? 

[_Wilson_™ 6,563]

your welcome! bro. 

 

the drum to backing plate seal ? yes... it's replaceable .... I've never done one myself ... shade, or jeep is who i would ask. although some say leave them off ... 

[Fishfiles 20,145]

That drum seal is no longer available from Honda , it is meant to keep water out the drum , yours only fits the 350d and the 86 TRX250A , I have a stack of 250 front hubs ,  but you are on the other side of that pond ----guess your only option if you want to replace it would be to find a used drum 

[_Wilson_™ 6,563]

no, not from honda, but plenty of (nos) listed on ebay.... I'd check there, personaly, for mine ... I'd leave them off. unless you keep the surface ... between the seal and backing plate lubed with grease... that's the way they have a long life ... the grease recommended is  nlgi no. 3 multipurpose grease, but I'd go with bel-ray water proof, IMO,  honda should have went with disk brake .... on those older models.

Edited August 5, 2020 by _Wilson_™

[TrxPipUK 169]

2 hours ago, Fishfiles said:

That drum seal is no longer available from Honda , it is meant to keep water out the drum , yours only fits the 350d and the 86 TRX250A , I have a stack of 250 front hubs ,  but you are on the other side of that pond ----guess your only option if you want to replace it would be to find a used drum 

 

58 minutes ago, _Wilson_™ said:

no, not from honda, but plenty of (nos) listed on ebay.... I'd check there, personaly, for mine ... I'd leave them off. unless you keep the surface ... between the seal and backing plate lubed with grease... that's the way they have a long life ... the grease recommended is  nlgi no. 3 multipurpose grease, but I'd go with bel-ray water proof, IMO,  honda should have went with disk brake .... on those older models.

Thankyou both, good to know they are removable. I've had a look on eBay and found these aftermarket seals... I'll order them up and see if they're right? 

 

@_Wilson_™ why do you keep the seals off? Just curious? And yes disk breaks would have been great lol...

 

Edited August 5, 2020 by TrxPipUK

[TrxPipUK 169]

[shadetree 5,880]

yes that brake drum seal is replaceable, but they are discontinued from honda, used or aftermarket is all that you can do.

[shadetree 5,880]

3 hours ago, TrxPipUK said:

link says error 404 ^^^.

[shadetree 5,880]

7 hours ago, TrxPipUK said:

Thanks guys! Managed to get them out. Punched them out with a screwdriver and hammer 👍🏻. Is that lip on the inside of the knuckle meant to be left in? Can't figure out if it's part of the knuckle or not?

and was that cir-clip under the front dust seal like i said ?. and i sure hope you found new or used seals to replace the old dust seals ?...they are discontinued from honda.

[TrxPipUK 169]

11 minutes ago, shadetree said:

yes that brake drum seal is replaceable, but they are discontinued from honda, used or aftermarket is all that you can do.

Great, well I think I've found some aftermarket ones.. Any tips on getting the old seal off?? 

9 minutes ago, shadetree said:

and was that cir-clip under the front dust seal like i said ?. and i sure hope you found new or used seals to replace the old dust seals ?...they are discontinued from honda.

Yes that circlip was under the front dust seal 🙂 thanks for that, took a few attempts to get the thing out lol... 

For the seals I'm gonna have to get all balls ones that come with the bearings... it's not the best but seems to be the only option annoyingly... but oh well 

[TrxPipUK 169]

Brake drum, backing plate and right side knuckle (still got the left side to do) all cleaned up and painted nicely.

 

Here's some shiny pics for you boys lol

[shadetree 5,880]

while you have the outer part of the knuckle off, now is the time to service the tappered bearings that sit down in the top, and bottom of the knuckle. they also have seals in them, they help with the steering. i always pull them out, clean, re-pack with fresh grease when i tear these down.

[TrxPipUK 169]

1 hour ago, shadetree said:

while you have the outer part of the knuckle off, now is the time to service the tappered bearings that sit down in the top, and bottom of the knuckle. they also have seals in them, they help with the steering. i always pull them out, clean, re-pack with fresh grease when i tear these down.

Thanks man I'll check em out. Was definitely gonna pack some more grease in them .... maybe I'll take them out and clean them properly now though lol . Thanks