Firearms

[jeepwm69 7,600]

On 4/17/2021 at 5:13 PM, Freedomflyer said:

I don't thinks so, it was a gift to my wife from her dad. I  can ask her but am guessing not. He had a boatload of guns he got rid of before we knew he was getting rid of them. Was pretty disappointing to find out, glad I was able to get that Browning .325 before it was gone too, almost lost that in the auction.  He was saving this 30-06 for my wife thank goodness.

 

I also have this little .22 nine shot revolver, have never seen one of these before either, does anyone know anything about it?

New England Firearms/ Harrington and Richardson.  Good little plinker.  Probably not worth a lot monetarily, but great plinker.

 

[jeepwm69 7,600]

On 4/17/2021 at 4:25 PM, Fishfiles said:

I sent a pic to my buddy of your Winchester 70 , he was all over it , he wants to buy it , he shoots the Model 721 Remington 30-06 which is the sniper rifle of WWII , that he hunts with , want to sell it ??? 

 

The sniper rifles from WW2 were normally Springfield 1903's that were scoped.  Late in the war there were some scoped M1 Garands (M1C and M1D) produced, but I don't think any of them saw action until Korea.

[Fishfiles 20,145]

3 hours ago, jeepwm69 said:

 

The sniper rifles from WW2 were normally Springfield 1903's that were scoped.  Late in the war there were some scoped M1 Garands (M1C and M1D) produced, but I don't think any of them saw action until Korea.

It was the 720 that was military pre-worldWar II and not the 721 , the 720s  were limited production , only 2,500 were produced , 1,000 were sold to citizens and 1,500 were for the Navy , I was looking for my buddies' rifle pic that I posted and can't seem to find it on this thread or in my phone 

[Freedomflyer 1,885]

4 hours ago, jeepwm69 said:

New England Firearms/ Harrington and Richardson.  Good little plinker.  Probably not worth a lot monetarily, but great plinker.

Thanks, it was my dad's, didn't know he even had it. Was talking to my mom when she told me about it. Said she was holding on to it for me my brothers had already gotten dad's other guns. It looks like it needs some serious cleaning.  Has been in a little soft case for the past 30 years on a drawer. 

[Goober 1,555]

On 4/15/2021 at 11:52 AM, retro said:

Wow, thanks Jeep! So it looks like the kid got lucky.

He’s got a great neighbor!
 

Edited April 19, 2021 by Goober

[Freedomflyer 1,885]

Watch "86-year-old veteran sniper still has perfect aim." on YouTube
https://youtu.be/DVdqxkHd2RQ

[Freedomflyer 1,885]

Would love to see more pics of that model 70.  Stock is obviously custom, and the fact that it doesn't have sights would make it uncommon if it is a Pre 64 (special order or Target gun).

 

Jeep here's a few more pics of that Winchester. 

[jeepwm69 7,600]

Serial number look up shows 1948. Peak Winchester quality!

 

They made a “national match” model 70, and also a “target” model 70. I believe yours is a target. The lack of sights is what leads me to believe that.

 

I’ll bounce that hypothesis off of the old man and see what he says.

[Freedomflyer 1,885]

Ok, thank you sir!!!

That's awesome.

[slowindown 494]

This came to me when my dad died. It was my daddy’s grandaddy’s double barrel.   It’s perhaps even older than that. I don’t know.
 

Anyone have any information on it?

 

Unusual action. 
 

Based on the diameter of the chambers I’m guessing it’s 8 gauge?

 

The action is worn - pretty rickety when you break the action open and somewhat rickety when it’s closed. Triggers, hammers and firing pins look ok. Ejector works. 
 

pics below including all of the markings I can find and the chamber size

 

 

[56Sierra 1,844]

There's not a "W" hiding somewhere in front of what looks like Richard, is there?

[slowindown 494]

56 minutes ago, 56Sierra said:

There's not a "W" hiding somewhere in front of what looks like Richard, is there?

Not that I can see. Could be rubbed off. Here’s a close up. 

[slowindown 494]

Took barrel off. This is underside hidden by the action. 
 

Per google search returns that ELG proof mark is from Liege, Belgium. 
 

 

Edited April 21, 2021 by slowindown

[56Sierra 1,844]

46 minutes ago, slowindown said:

Took barrel off. This is underside hidden by the action. 
 

Per google search returns that ELG proof mark is from Liege, Belgium. 
 

 

That fits what I was thinking.  Very unusual piece you have.

[56Sierra 1,844]

I believe it used to be common for gunmakers world over would send barrels to Belgium for proof testing.  One reason Belgium gets accused of making so many different firearms. 

I used to have a very old flintlock double barrel muzzle loading black powder shotgun.  The outside of the barrel looked like it was carved out using a sharpened slag hammer.  It had Belgium proof marks too.  Turns out it was made in Africa. 

In this day we only think of a dozen or so major gun manufacturers worldwide building firearms but in the 1800's there were thousands of much, much smallers companies building guns.  This makes identifying old guns a real challenge. 

I have two CZ 527 rifles and learned even to this day CZ will throw a real oddball into their lineup.  One in particular was the 222 Varmint built for the Mexican market.  Very scare here in the states but some were sold.  BTW, Mexico does not allow its citizens to own rifles in the same caliber as military rifles....or so I read on the internet 😉

[slowindown 494]

This is an interesting article about Belgium gun making 1814-1914. http://littlegun.be/arme belge/a a site belge gb.htm

[jeepwm69 7,600]

20 hours ago, Freedomflyer said:

Ok, thank you sir!!!

That's awesome.

 

I looked at Dad's 1950 Stoeger catalog, and all of the Model 70's (Including the Target and National Match) had blocks for target sights, so your gun may well have been a special order to have come without sights

[56Sierra 1,844]

Are there holes in the barrel where the front sight was?

[Fishfiles 20,145]

Bore Size Table

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Gauge	Bore Diameter or Calibre
1	1.669"
2	1.325"
3	1.157"
4	1.052"
5	.976"
6	.919"
7	.873"
8	.835"
9	.802"
10	.775"
11	.751"
12	.729"
13	.700"
14	.693"
15	.677"
16	.662"
17	.650"
18	.637"
19	.626"
20	.615"
21	.605"
22	.596"
23	.587"
24	.579"
25	.571"
26	.563"
27	.556"
28	.550"
29	.543"
30	.537"
31	.531"
32	.526"
.410	.410"

Gauge - System of measurement for the internal bore diameter of a smooth-bore firearm based on the diameter of each of that number of spherical lead balls whose total weight is one pound. The internal diameter of a 12 gauge shotgun barrel is therefore equal to the diameter of a lead ball weighing 1/12 pound, which happens to be .729" (Or in British: Bore.)

.410 is not really a gauge, except by convention. It is the actual diameter of the bore in decimal inches.

The Gauge/Bore system is also used to describe the internal barrel diameter of large-bore, 19^th century, English, single-shot and double-barrel black powder rifles.

 

[Freedomflyer 1,885]

Our Governor is turning some things around here, we haven't had a Republican Governor for 16 yrs.

 

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/montana-governor-signs-bill-to-protect-second-amendment-from-federal-gun-restrictions

[Bighanded 1,235]

yeah..saw that in the news...good for Montana and a few others.  won't keep the feds away but at least when they come to call , you won't be also dealing with your local LEO...

I'm looking at these old guns you guys have...so very very great to see them, and I'm wondering what my great grandkids might be posting 100 years down the road with some of the treasures we've bought in recent times.. We marvel at dbl barrel, double trigger systems a century back, they'll be trying to imagine how a 30rd magazine fed rifle was used.

[Chevymec 510]

Bought a 20 gauge and a 410 from a buddy. Buck shot is easy to find. I just want some bird shot for them. I thought it would be the easiest to find. Local stores sell out as soon as they get ammo. The place I get mine from usually holds on to it a little longer since he is smaller. 

[Freedomflyer 1,885]

 

Pretty funny

 

 

https://youtu.be/aMbJr4RSSAY

 

[jeepwm69 7,600]

On 4/24/2021 at 8:52 AM, Freedomflyer said:

Our Governor is turning some things around here, we haven't had a Republican Governor for 16 yrs.

 

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/montana-governor-signs-bill-to-protect-second-amendment-from-federal-gun-restrictions

 

Arkansas leg passed a similar bill.  Our statist POS (R) governor vetoed it.  My guess is the leg will override his veto (hopefully).

 

He's term limited so he'll be gone before long, but I'd love to see him recalled now.  He's awful, and always has been.

 

Just remember, they're all terrible.  Regardless of your political leanings, an (R) or (D) next to their name doesn't mean they're on your side.

[Bighanded 1,235]

I actually have a bud that comes darn close to that funny video.