WonderMonkey 727 Posted August 1, 2022 I'm looking to buy a new HAM handheld radio. My current Yaesu, the reliable FT3D, is dying. Dying to the point where I've pulled out my Baofeng F8HP, which is actually a reliable radio. However, I'd rather investigate and get a new shiny radio as I can't stand not to. In addition to working great, battery life is important to me as I'll take it backpacking to remote areas. I'm OK with taking a spare battery, but I'd like the radio itself to do well in managing power. Feel free to correct any of nonsense that I may spout below, as I've not fully embraced my Amateur Radio license (General) and explored its capabilities. Digital - Has a winner emerged? If I buy one brand will I have put myself in a room with a small number of people when I decided to use digital? Hand Programmable - I know they all CAN be programmed by hand, but some fight you. I use CHIRP for the Baofengs and RT Systems for the Yaesu and both are great, but suddenly needing to program a repeater while away from my computer are foreseeable. 5w or More Transmit - I know some have 8w, and many say there isn't much difference, so I'll stick with the 5w minimum. What else? What am I not asking about? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bighanded 1,234 Posted August 2, 2022 I'm trying to remember.. I think Wilson here in our group is the radio expert. I've got very little experience but interestingly, have made the same choices in the past years as you have. My Yaesu is clearly a quality radio but being honest, my F8HP has seen 300% more action. It's currently stuffed in my Get Home bag, but for a season there I would listen in to the locals morning chatter on my commute to work...we have two good repeaters in our area that hang with me for the 30 minute commute. The 8watts? I dunno.. I think it comes down to antenna regardless. The Baofeng has lived in the car, blistering south carolina summer heat, freezing cold winters, tossed around on the floor board etc. If I put it on a meter, I'd likely see that it drifts plenty, but bottom line, it is still working after several years of abuse. I've got spare and extended batteries for both radios and that car power adapters, mag mount antennas and whip upgrades in handheld mode. I don't spend time listening cross country etc on them, so going digital really isn't in my plans. I just wanted to get an idea of who we had in our area, how active they were, what my range was like, etc. The "Buy Two-way Radios" internet sales folks are actually 4 miles from my house. I drive past them on my daily commute and have stopped in to spend some money with them a couple times. They tested my Baofeng for me, called locals for radio check etc and the little radio appears to do the job. I was all studied up and ready for my General a couple years ago...and then Covid... I need to brush up and catch up with the area club.. I think they typically get together in October and I can get the test done then. In the meantime, no, I don't press TALK. and honestly 99% of the chatter is what you'd hear sitting around the Bojangles for a morning cup of coffee with us bunch of old codgers. but at least I know how to program my radios, have my repeater codes saved for other areas, etc. These zombie movie prepper guys that see the actors just grab a radio and start talking and think that's how HAM is going to work...yeah...have fun with that. (grin) 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeepwm69 7,750 Posted August 2, 2022 I need to get into this. For now all I have are cheap walkie talkies. I do have a shortwave receiver, but nothing that I can transmit with. I gather you need a license to hit the talk button, right? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_Wilson_™ 6,593 Posted August 2, 2022 Oh i dabbled it some over the years, but they hams around here started drinking ...... And playing more then i liked..... I happened up on MTEARS sky warn, so i just monitor now, they have better on screen weather reports then noaa..... Every once in a while the mature hams will talk, now i MIGHT ?? Get back into it, now that i have more time, that being said if i wanted advise, id hunt @Derf40 up. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_Wilson_™ 6,593 Posted August 2, 2022 Jeep by law your suppose to, but no you don't have to have a license to key A repeater, that's what happened here, jokers got there hands on Radios and Started playing on the repeaters getting drUnk and a Ting foolish. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bighanded 1,234 Posted August 2, 2022 6 minutes ago, jeepwm69 said: I need to get into this. For now all I have are cheap walkie talkies. I do have a shortwave receiver, but nothing that I can transmit with. I gather you need a license to hit the talk button, right? yes...it's not a hard test..they eliminated Code years ago...so just some common knowledge stuff that's really helpful anyway. there's a number of web sites that offer practice tests so you can get an idea of the questions Wave Talkers Technician Exam Prep Free Ham Radio Practice Tests – Ham Radio Prep HamExam.org: Free Amateur Radio Practice Tests with Flash Cards my comments were that, unlike FMRS /GMRS General Mobile Radio Service (GMRS) | Federal Communications Commission (fcc.gov) I do have this license as we do a lot of camping and my 5 watters really come in handy. anyway...unlike family friendly radios, where you pick it up, dial up a channel and press talk, a HAM needs a bit more training, knowing the frequency and transmit offset, etc..how to program your radios and what to expect from them with and without repeater access. used to be you could touch on a private GMRS repeater around places like Disney World theme park areas to help keep in touch with the family if you split up at the park. But those are few these days and the cell phone has replaced what used to be FMRS insanity at those parks. I still like having my radios as part of my emergency prep - there's a Cobra CB handheld with a mag mount in the truck. We've come up on traffic logjams on the interstate and I'll turn mine on to listen into trucker chatter to get an idea of how bad the issue is and what routing options might be available. We've gone camping with neighbors where cell signal in the mountains was nill, but we could talk RV to RV using the GMRS and have some privacy. that sort of thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WonderMonkey 727 Posted August 2, 2022 7 hours ago, Bighanded said: I'm trying to remember.. I think Wilson here in our group is the radio expert. I've got very little experience but interestingly, have made the same choices in the past years as you have. My Yaesu is clearly a quality radio but being honest, my F8HP has seen 300% more action. It's currently stuffed in my Get Home bag, but for a season there I would listen in to the locals morning chatter on my commute to work...we have two good repeaters in our area that hang with me for the 30 minute commute. The 8watts? I dunno.. I think it comes down to antenna regardless. The Baofeng has lived in the car, blistering south carolina summer heat, freezing cold winters, tossed around on the floor board etc. If I put it on a meter, I'd likely see that it drifts plenty, but bottom line, it is still working after several years of abuse. I've got spare and extended batteries for both radios and that car power adapters, mag mount antennas and whip upgrades in handheld mode. I don't spend time listening cross country etc on them, so going digital really isn't in my plans. I just wanted to get an idea of who we had in our area, how active they were, what my range was like, etc. The "Buy Two-way Radios" internet sales folks are actually 4 miles from my house. I drive past them on my daily commute and have stopped in to spend some money with them a couple times. They tested my Baofeng for me, called locals for radio check etc and the little radio appears to do the job. I was all studied up and ready for my General a couple years ago...and then Covid... I need to brush up and catch up with the area club.. I think they typically get together in October and I can get the test done then. In the meantime, no, I don't press TALK. and honestly 99% of the chatter is what you'd hear sitting around the Bojangles for a morning cup of coffee with us bunch of old codgers. but at least I know how to program my radios, have my repeater codes saved for other areas, etc. These zombie movie prepper guys that see the actors just grab a radio and start talking and think that's how HAM is going to work...yeah...have fun with that. (grin) I know @_Wilson_™ and I have spoken briefly about HAM. Also when I was in Western Tn this past week I connected to MTEARS just to see if I could. No speaking, just hitting the repeater in range. I'm minimally competent in what I use my license for, but I under-utilize it. The BF F8HP IS a good radio, but I felt my FT3D was better as far as durability. It has other features which I would not expect the BF F8HP to have due to price point. I have only dabbled in digital, and that was Yaesu's digital. And you are right, most of the daily chatter is old man talk, which I'm approaching. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WonderMonkey 727 Posted August 2, 2022 6 hours ago, jeepwm69 said: I need to get into this. For now all I have are cheap walkie talkies. I do have a shortwave receiver, but nothing that I can transmit with. I gather you need a license to hit the talk button, right? That is correct. You can listen all you want, but unless you are in an emergency, you can't transmit. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WonderMonkey 727 Posted August 2, 2022 6 hours ago, _Wilson_™ said: Oh i dabbled it some over the years, but they hams around here started drinking ...... And playing more then i liked..... I happened up on MTEARS sky warn, so i just monitor now, they have better on screen weather reports then noaa..... Every once in a while the mature hams will talk, now i MIGHT ?? Get back into it, now that i have more time, that being said if i wanted advise, id hunt @Derf40 up. I connected to MTEARS when I was in Western TN last week. I just keyed the repeater to make sure that I could. MTEARS is a great thing. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WonderMonkey 727 Posted August 2, 2022 I'm going to replace the battery in my Yaesu FT3D and see if that fixes the issue. I don't think it will, but it's worth a try. When the unit is powered on and I disconnect the power or the programming cable, it powers down. What does both of those have to do with the battery? Not sure, but it's worth a try. Here in a bit (few day), I'm going to dive back into the digital capabilities of the radio. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WonderMonkey 727 Posted August 2, 2022 Alright I've got APRS up and running. I COULD use it so my wife knows where I am when in the deep woods, but I have a Garmin InReach for that. I'm going to have to do a bit of study to see if and why I care about APRS. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WonderMonkey 727 Posted August 3, 2022 1 hour ago, WonderMonkey said: Alright I've got APRS up and running. I COULD use it so my wife knows where I am when in the deep woods, but I have a Garmin InReach for that. I'm going to have to do a bit of study to see if and why I care about APRS. I've determined that like the last time, I don't have a recognizable use for APRS. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WonderMonkey 727 Posted August 3, 2022 I'm playing with WIRES-X right now. It's cool hearing other countries chat. I've listened to Japan, Italy, Australia and of course, USA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WonderMonkey 727 Posted August 4, 2022 WIRES-X is fun. WINLINK is very useful so I'll keep going on that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_Wilson_™ 6,593 Posted September 26, 2022 @WonderMonkey I've come up on another site that might help in your searches, i myself have been searching for a Australia station i shot skip with years ago, never got a chance to get a SQL card. https://www.repeaterbook.com/repeaters/index.php?state_id=none 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WonderMonkey 727 Posted September 26, 2022 9 hours ago, _Wilson_™ said: @WonderMonkey I've come up on another site that might help in your searches, i myself have been searching for a Australia station i shot skip with years ago, never got a chance to get a SQL card. https://www.repeaterbook.com/repeaters/index.php?state_id=none I use that on occasion, good site. Whenever we get deployed I do a quick search using there and both print out and load the repeaters into my HT's. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fishfiles 20,147 Posted February 18, 2023 @_Wilson_™ 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_Wilson_™ 6,593 Posted February 18, 2023 Hm.....like the post .... But i see WM has altered his sig....i gotta ask .... @WonderMonkey.....I know a fellah named Alan ..... Would this sig change be a result of an argument ......(sigh) .....YET again which is better a foot / manual shift verses ES shift.....lol! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WonderMonkey 727 Posted February 20, 2023 On 2/18/2023 at 2:49 AM, _Wilson_™ said: Hm.....like the post .... But i see WM has altered his sig....i gotta ask .... @WonderMonkey.....I know a fellah named Alan ..... Would this sig change be a result of an argument ......(sigh) .....YET again which is better a foot / manual shift verses ES shift.....lol! I don't really recall what the topic was, but I do recall someone typed something in and forgot a comma and @bcsman jumped on it. In a friend way, but I thought it was funny so I put it as my sig line. THEN I promptly forgot that I put it as my sig line. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_Wilson_™ 6,593 Posted March 23, 2023 @WonderMonkey Been tinkering around (testing only) take a look at this and let me know if you had to do this one step because i didn't nor did i have to use chirp software ..., ill tell you PM how i got around this offset issue .(it has to do with reverse freq look up which my big radio will do with a couple key strokes) The way i did it was much less complicated.. And each frequency to did this on (analog only) worked perfectly! I can open any (analog) repeater my radios will receive... But I've look and looked online, and what I've learned is most say what i pulled off can't be done... Link Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WonderMonkey 727 Posted March 24, 2023 17 hours ago, _Wilson_™ said: @WonderMonkey Been tinkering around (testing only) take a look at this and let me know if you had to do this one step because i didn't nor did i have to use chirp software ..., ill tell you PM how i got around this offset issue .(it has to do with reverse freq look up which my big radio will do with a couple key strokes) The way i did it was much less complicated.. And each frequency to did this on (analog only) worked perfectly! I can open any (analog) repeater my radios will receive... But I've look and looked online, and what I've learned is most say what i pulled off can't be done... Link I have always had to put in an offset, as my radio does not do the lookups for me to determine it. I don't have an opinion on what you are doing as far as "can't be done", but the Yaesu and the two Beofeng's that I have required me to enter in the offset, both the direction and the amount. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_Wilson_™ 6,593 Posted March 24, 2023 On August 2, 2022 at 4:05 PM, WonderMonkey said: I connected to MTEARS when I was in Western TN last week. I just keyed the repeater to make sure that I could. MTEARS is a great thing. Do you recall what repeater you connected with ? With the weather looking like it's going to very active ..... I'll be monitoring as many repeaters as i can ..... My lightening detectors have already chimed a few times... Also...have you considered the zillo plat form... I've doing some rearch so far I'm very impressed.... Being derf might very well be the expert ham here, i plan on chatting a bit this evening while we are tuned in to OPL ... Might as state i just purchased the lastest zillo...it's showing already been shipped...i hope it gets here before the main weather event does, also have a massive list of repeaters used by MTEARS ... And i didn't take much time to look into this part.. But looks as throw the coverage area might be getting expanded... More on that in PM ... Also have a bit of a surprise coming a section just for ham talk.. But ive got to do some house cleaning 1st... Lol! I've washed my hands of a future auto project..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WonderMonkey 727 Posted March 25, 2023 @_Wilson_™ do you mean Zello? If so that is what we use when we deploy either on SAR or Disaster Services. When we get onsite we shut it off due to the battery drain it has and we switch to either plain mobile phone, HT (amatuer radio) or private network radio. And yes, I think Derf knows WAY more than I do about amateur radio though I do use HT's quite a bit. As for what repeater I was on, I'm not sure. I was traveling to and from Henderson, Tn at the time for a SARTECH II certification exam. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WonderMonkey 727 Posted March 25, 2023 @_Wilson_™ I don't think you meant Zello now that I read your post again. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_Wilson_™ 6,593 Posted March 25, 2023 Yeah hands are hurting today... I don't do pain meds of any kind!! Specaily opioids grrrrrrr! So my bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites