Fishfiles 20,145 Posted September 24, 2020 2 hours ago, Turbo Twister said: You must love your music😁 I do too but I usually dont play music (even through headphones) when I'm mowing, as I need to listen engine die back or other issues I wouldn't hear over music. I don't lesten to music while mowing either , don't give me any ideas , LOL 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fishfiles 20,145 Posted September 24, 2020 Did you see that tow behind mower I posted a pic of recently , last page of this thread 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Turbo Twister 545 Posted September 30, 2020 And so begins the winch setup.. unfortunately it was harder than expected to get the front left (as you look at it) bolt in, as the frame has been knocked about in its past life so I had to improvise with a flat screwdriver and a clamp to get all 3 metal components to line up. The frame is now bolted in place, next up is aligning the winch itself in place. Would I be right in saying the aluminium hawse is best off as far forward as possible on the bike? The frame that came with it keeps the hawse back about 6 inches from the front of the bike frame and I dont like the idea of rope rubbing on the frame when pulling. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeepwm69 7,581 Posted October 1, 2020 I drilled holes in my front bumper and mounted the fairlead there. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadetree 5,852 Posted October 1, 2020 your first mistake is installing a hawse fairlead..second mistake...is its not a warn winch !..lol. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Turbo Twister 545 Posted October 1, 2020 10 minutes ago, shadetree said: your first mistake is installing a hawse fairlead..second mistake...is its not a warn winch !..lol. It's not a Warn winch no, it's a Ninja Warrior Japanese made winch with synthetic rope. Warn Winches aren't easy to get this small in Ireland and I had a 6 ton Warrior winch on my old jeep which never gave me trouble so I went for a known brand again. I have no time for steel cables, after seeing one snap on a tractor winch years ago I avoid them like the plague! Second pic on is my old work horse, a grand vitara XL7 2.0L turbo diesel, a small engine by you guys standard, but big for here in Ireland. 1 hour ago, jeepwm69 said: I drilled holes in my front bumper and mounted the fairlead there. That was my thought, I think the fairlead is wide enough to do this, although I may have to weld a bit of plate on either side on the bumper, not a big job either way. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Turbo Twister 545 Posted October 1, 2020 Took the mounting plate off the bike again because the winch has to be bolted as far back on the plate as possible, otherwise it fouls the back of the light housings. I will also be moving the solenoid pack into the timber box on the bike rack along with the battery as there is very little room between the winch and front right wheel at full lock. I will be able to use the second winch plate (it came separately with the winch) as a template to make a decent fixing point for the hawse. More to come! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadetree 5,852 Posted October 1, 2020 one more time !!...DITCH THE HAWSE FAIRLEAD IF YOUR GONNA RUN ROPE ?..YOU WANT A ROLLER FAIRLEAD !!!!. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Turbo Twister 545 Posted October 1, 2020 36 minutes ago, shadetree said: one more time !!...DITCH THE HAWSE FAIRLEAD IF YOUR GONNA RUN ROPE ?..YOU WANT A ROLLER FAIRLEAD !!!!. I've been told it's a bad idea to run rope through a roller fairlead? What is the benefit to rollers in your opinion, I'm just curious? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadetree 5,852 Posted October 1, 2020 30 minutes ago, Turbo Twister said: I've been told it's a bad idea to run rope through a roller fairlead? What is the benefit to rollers in your opinion, I'm just curious? you were told wrong !!!..i'll break it down for ya..hawse fairlead on rope creates heat as the rope glides over the hawse , where is on rollers with a rope...there is no heat being made !!. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Turbo Twister 545 Posted October 1, 2020 22 minutes ago, shadetree said: you were told wrong !!!..i'll break it down for ya..hawse fairlead on rope creates heat as the rope glides over the hawse , where is on rollers with a rope...there is no heat being made !!. Ok, point taken on that side of things. I may go searching for a roller so, never had that issue on the jeep mind and it did a lot of work for me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadetree 5,852 Posted October 1, 2020 4 hours ago, Turbo Twister said: It's not a Warn winch no, it's a Ninja Warrior Japanese made winch with synthetic rope. Warn Winches aren't easy to get this small in Ireland and I had a 6 ton Warrior winch on my old jeep which never gave me trouble so I went for a known brand again. I have no time for steel cables, after seeing one snap on a tractor winch years ago I avoid them like the plague! Second pic on is my old work horse, a grand vitara XL7 2.0L turbo diesel, a small engine by you guys standard, but big for here in Ireland. That was my thought, I think the fairlead is wide enough to do this, although I may have to weld a bit of plate on either side on the bumper, not a big job either way. in one of these pics, you have a hawse fairlead on the front, then the second pic, you have a roller fairlead, not sure what your winch has..rope or cable ?, but refardless...always...ALWAYS RUN ROLLER FAIRLEAD !. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Goober 1,555 Posted October 2, 2020 Here’s the drybox mount in my TRX300 — you may have to remove the 450/500 drybox to get the contactor centered. I recommend you use a big grommet for the cable passage or wrap lotsa tape to prevent wire chafing 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeepwm69 7,581 Posted October 2, 2020 15 hours ago, shadetree said: in one of these pics, you have a hawse fairlead on the front, then the second pic, you have a roller fairlead, not sure what your winch has..rope or cable ?, but refardless...always...ALWAYS RUN ROLLER FAIRLEAD !. With syn cable you're supposed to run a NEW Hawse fairlead. Reason being the rope can get pinched in a corner on the rollers. Cable won't compress to get pulled into the corner, but rope will. If you run an old Hawse fairlead that's been used with cable, it will have burrs that will snag the rope and chew it up. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadetree 5,852 Posted October 2, 2020 15 minutes ago, jeepwm69 said: With syn cable you're supposed to run a NEW Hawse fairlead. Reason being the rope can get pinched in a corner on the rollers. Cable won't compress to get pulled into the corner, but rope will. If you run an old Hawse fairlead that's been used with cable, it will have burrs that will snag the rope and chew it up. i have never got my rope pinched in the corners of my roller fairlead ?, maybe you weren't holding your mouth right ??..lol. or you had a china roller on there ?..lol. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Turbo Twister 545 Posted October 2, 2020 1 hour ago, jeepwm69 said: With syn cable you're supposed to run a NEW Hawse fairlead. Reason being the rope can get pinched in a corner on the rollers. Cable won't compress to get pulled into the corner, but rope will. If you run an old Hawse fairlead that's been used with cable, it will have burrs that will snag the rope and chew it up. This was the exact reason I used a hawse on the jeep, steel cable for rollers, not for synthetic! I'm up in arms about what I'll do now😂 think I'll stick with what I have for now, I wont be using it a whole lot anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeepwm69 7,581 Posted October 2, 2020 1 hour ago, shadetree said: i have never got my rope pinched in the corners of my roller fairlead ?, maybe you weren't holding your mouth right ??..lol. or you had a china roller on there ?..lol. I'm just saying, that's the "rule" of thumb. Soft aluminum hawse (NEW) for rope, steel roller or hawse for steel cable. Once you use a fairlead for steel, do NOT reuse it for rope. Thems the winch rules from way back when rope first made its appearance. I was messing with Jeep winches long before I ever got a Honda ATV. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Goober 1,555 Posted October 2, 2020 (edited) I used a small KFI ST1700–fits perfectly except the Warn has a recessed engagement knob and the KFI has a lever that touches the fender bottom in disengagement mode.so yeah the Warn would be better for this tight space can you dress the surfaces of the hawse with a smooth file or sandpaper? Polish with steel wool? Edited October 2, 2020 by Goober 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeepwm69 7,581 Posted October 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Goober said: I used a small KFI ST1700–fits perfectly except the Warn has a recessed engagement knob and the KFI has a lever that touches the fender bottom in disengagement mode.so yeah the Warn would be better for this tight space can you dress the surfaces of the hawse with a smooth file or sandpaper? Polish with steel wool? Probably could. As long as there aren't burrs or roughness to catch on the rope I think it would be ok. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadetree 5,852 Posted October 2, 2020 1 hour ago, jeepwm69 said: I'm just saying, that's the "rule" of thumb. Soft aluminum hawse (NEW) for rope, steel roller or hawse for steel cable. Once you use a fairlead for steel, do NOT reuse it for rope. Thems the winch rules from way back when rope first made its appearance. I was messing with Jeep winches long before I ever got a Honda ATV. and how many hawse fairleads owners do you remember trying to use a plow set up with a rope on them..and kept breaking from the old site ?..its simple math..hawse with a rope going over , back and forth on a hawse fairlead makes the rope heat up, where is a roller fairlead will not. your not suppose to be pulling at steep angles period, even the owners manual on a warn winch says this. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeepwm69 7,581 Posted October 2, 2020 With a plow, probably better off with a roller. Pulling up and down instead of in and out. But, the fact still remains...from the Warn website......"All WARN truck/SUV winches equipped with Spydura rope should be used with our polished aluminum hawse fairlead" https://www.warn.com/synthetic-rope-vs-steel-rope-which-one-is-best 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Turbo Twister 545 Posted December 28, 2020 New modification in progress! More to come in a few days. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fishfiles 20,145 Posted December 28, 2020 20 minutes ago, Turbo Twister said: New modification in progress! More to come in a few days. Plow / dozer blade ??? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Turbo Twister 545 Posted December 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, Fishfiles said: Plow / dozer blade ??? Shallow bucket for gravel and muck, tines for dung and the back plate will be used to scrape a farm yard and possibly snow too. I aim to get the bucket finished tomorrow all going well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBRider 1,395 Posted December 29, 2020 I used a seat belt out of an old van on my winch to plow with and saved my cable for summer use. The wide belt never gets tangled up, worked great for me plowing snow. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites