chris22

Thanks, when I put the new hoses and t valve on, I willd try to bleed them and maybe try that. Thanks again

Unfortunately no, haven't messed it in a couple days. I ordered the front hose assembly with T valve so waiting on it. Just have the feeling something is wrong in there. I seen some little pieces of rubber while bleeding. So I will change that out and try it again

Ok thanks, was wondering why it had vent lines. Learn something everyday 

Yes, going to try that thanks. This model even has vent line that goes to a wheel cylinder on each side. Cant find a leak in them tho. Not sure why they have vent lines but would think that would only help get air out.

4 hours ago, Fishfiles said:

I have had fits before trying to bleed my brakes , from reading your thread it sounds like you have tried some of this before  , so forgive me it is is repetitive , but this has not failed me yet , kind of hard to explain 

 

You need two pinch pliers to do this procedure , if you don't have them , then  small vise grips will work , if you are using vise grips use a piece of rubber or cardboard to make a u-shaped hose protector so the teeth don't damage the hose ,first pinch the hose right out of the master , if the master is good it will make the lever hard with one maybe two pumps ( first time )  at the most , if it test good  then leave the pliers there , attach another pair pf pliers on one side of the tee , blocking off one side , so that you are only working with one side at a time ----  here is the technique , pump the lever till you feel pressure then with your other hand release the pliers, when the pressure on the  lever releases and the lever touches the handle bar , re-pinch the pliers before letting the lever go , then pump the lever till pressure is achieved and repeat the previous procedure , so what you are doing is force feeding pressure thru the hose , a pump at a time , then it helps to have another person to start bleeding the bleeder valve , when you feel you have pressure to one side , then move the pinch pliers to the other side of the tee and repeat on that side 

 

I have seen the inside of the metal fittings' hose barb at the hose get rusted up and blockage occur , also seen the hoses get soft and expand when pressure applied , proper adjustment  of the brake shoes is vital to get it bleed properly 

 

I have also played around with reverse bleeding using pressure and also by using a vacuum pump and sucking fluid thru , but that pinch and pump seems to work the best for me when having trouble 

Thank you, worth a try. Hopefully I'll get chance today to try that or try it soon. Just odd if I pinch one side of the line, the lever feels good. Doesn't matter which side. But when both lines are free, the lever gets spongy.

43 minutes ago, ATC4ever said:

Are you adjusting them with the wheels on? I have found with them on you can spin them easier as opposed to just the drum. & Yea theyre a pain to get both adjusters on each side adjusted about the same 😫

Thanks, I've done both. Just odd if I pinch one side of the lines, either side, they feel good but when one side is released where both sides are free, the lever gets spongy! A pain in the butt. Hoping to mess with it later

Thank you very much! I'll give that a try tomorrow I hope. The thing is cracking me. For some reason I have a feeling something might be wrong at the T. Tomorrow I may try to bleed it from there. I didnt today because it was really tight and didnt want to strip it. Now I'm at the point if it does, I'll just buy a new one. Thinking of getting new hoses for the front even though I see no leaks. For the night because of what someone else mentioned, I strapped the break leaver down to handle bar and just let it sit overnight. Thanks for your help!

Hey guys, I got my daughters bike a 2005 400 Honda rancher. I put on 4 new wheel cylinders, new master cylinder and brake pads for the front brakes. Hubs were cleaned very well. The brakes were adjusted where they are rubbing, bleed the brakes a million times, manual and a vacum pump. The master cylinder is good, I pinched the line and it gets hard immediately. I bled from the bleeder valves, the Bango bolts on the hubs and even out the master cylinder bango bolt. If I pinch off one side of the line brakes get hard, either side. When neither line is pinched the brake handle still is soft. If I pump it up a bunch of times it gets hard but after I let it go, its soft again. I am out ideas! Does anyone have any ideals? I see no leaks anywhere, and all connections are tight. I dont know what to try or do. Thanks for any help.

Chris