Swampdonkey87

52 minutes ago, shadetree said:

nope, your wrong, rtv sealant is NOT the same as hondabond/yamabond !.

Permatex the right stuff is a anaerobic not rtv. Good grief it’s the same thing as hondabond. A simple google search will help you to understand.

Anaerobic gasket makers and flange sealants are designed for sealing assemblies where two close fitting machined metal surfaces come together. ... If you've got larger gaps – such as sealing a stamped steel oil pan, you should be using an RTV gasket maker

1 minute ago, shadetree said:

rtv sealant ??..oh man..i don't see this engine lasting long.

same exact anaerobic sealant as hondabond lol. Why wouldn’t it? It’s permatex “the right stuff “ 

Just a update, she is doing great.. need to swap out the one way clutch bearing tho, when you let off the throttle it takes a min to catch and when it does it clunks. 
 

Going back together. Ignore the ugly head for now.

12 hours ago, jeepwm69 said:

Looks good!  How does it run?

 

I've been off for a few days, just now checking back in.

Glad your back, I’ll let you know as soon as this top end gets here.

1 minute ago, Fishfiles said:

yes , the shift motor cavity is what I was referring to ---- so you put a plate over where the shift motor mounted ?  can't the oil still get into that cavity thru that bottom hole on the right ? 

it’s completely blocked off on a foot shift case

23 minutes ago, Fishfiles said:

 

This pic was what I was thinking  where oil went 

Where the electric shift goes??? It’s blocked off it’s a manual shift case??

Just now, 87Iroc said:

 

You're on it....My knee jerk was same as Fish's. I don't know that engine so it looked like it was on the inside. YOu say it isn't...and you know it better than I do. So saying 'you're on it.'.

thank you sir, I take pride in rebuilding. Not a shop or anything just an Individual with a Honda addiction

5 minutes ago, 87Iroc said:

 

I bought a super cheap spring compressor off amazon. Shade really approves of my china purchases...but it appeared to work fine. 

 

Looks like its not available but one for 23 bucks is. Suspect its same one in different case.

 

Amazon Spring Compressor

I use Chinese tools, but car parts, saw parts, and quad and bike parts I only use oem stuff, like cylinders and pistons.

6 minutes ago, 87Iroc said:

 

 

I was thinking the same thing. Glad it appears OP was on it. The color is nice though!

 

Good Luck!!

Y’all lost me, where did I get anything on case insides?

Any holy ! these valve springs are some of the stiffest I’ve came across.

4 minutes ago, Tim-ANC said:

Brah, make yerself an actual bench 😆

Waiting to get shop built lol working out of my kitchen at the moment. Scratched up my old lady’s deep freeze she wasn’t too happy about that.

On 3/31/2021 at 6:33 PM, jeepwm69 said:

 

If you're gonna grind the cases gotta do that before you seal it up (assuming you want to do the 520 cylinder)

he said he would take $400 for rest of quad, it’s complete besides the engine I already got off of it. May snag it and part out. Will let you get the brakes if so. I’m in north Alabama. 
 

holding off on the 520 top end I’m trying to make the Easter ride they are having this weekend. Found a mint oem 420 top end for now.
 

bottom end is together.
 

had to grind another small portion of the case beside the boss where shift rod goes thru. See pic. 
 

everything is together and functioning correctly: 2009 crank and crankcase, 2014 foot shift rod, 2014 flywheel and stator, 2014 foot shift case covers. Hope this can help others, def opens up options when hunting a bottom end. They are compatible either way I could have made the foot shift bottom end a es if I had needed to.

red gasket maker is *The Right Stuff, just as good as Honda bond(ran out of Honda bond sealing crankcase. Cover gaskets are messy cause I had to pull each one back off....

everything functions correctly.
 

5 hours ago, jeepwm69 said:

If that 09 is still around, see if if it still has the front brakes.  I'm always looking for cheap 09-13 420 front brakes.

k I will go check them out when I have time. 
 

here are the differences in 09 and 14 flywheels. 14 on left. Split the cases it was immaculate forgot to get pics tho. Sealed her back up.

2 minutes ago, jeepwm69 said:

 

Clutch side up.  If you do it right, the transmission will stay in place, which makes it easier to keep everything together and pull it out that way, so everything is in order. 

 

If you google "420 crank youtube" there is a good 4 part series showing a 420 torn all the way down.

 

Why did the 2009 get parted?  Rear diff blown?

it was rolled. Plastics were tore all to pieces. Frame def looked salvageable, I would have def rebuilt it. 
 

mans thanks I haven’t watched those yet but fourwheeler doctor as 2 awesome teardown and assembly videos very detailed but I had remember something about one side down towards table and trans would stay together like you said. He didn’t use that technique. Let me get to watching them. Thanks man.

2 minutes ago, jeepwm69 said:

 

Clutch side up.  If you do it right, the transmission will stay in place, which makes it easier to keep everything together and pull it out that way, so everything is in order. 

 

If you google "420 crank youtube" there is a good 4 part series showing a 420 torn all the way down.

 

Why did the 2009 get parted?  Rear diff blown?

it was rolled. Plastics were tore all to pieces. Frame def looked salvageable, I would have def rebuilt it. 
 

mans thanks I haven’t watched those yet but fourwheeler doctor as 2 awesome teardown and assembly videos very detailed but I had remember something about one side down towards table and trans would stay together like you said. He didn’t use that technique. Let me get to watching them. Thanks man.

Flywheel puller is out for delivery! Just doing a little test fitting.

1 hour ago, Fishfiles said:

Your case covers look great , but I think you made a mistake letting paint get on the internal  areas , I know powder coating didn't hold up on the inside of the engine , outside still holding tight , the case  screen was totally clogged with powder coating 

nice! I didn’t get it on the interior as far as I know? U talking about the electric shift opening? It’s blocked off to the inside.

Jeep what side of case should I lay on the table when splitting? 

Quick little pic dump, pressure washer and easy off oven cleaner is your friend here. More pics coming later. Header paint for covers and crankcase. Crank case is going to be a different color ain’t finished yet.

26 minutes ago, Fishfiles said:

I have  34.5 reduction and 29.5s on one 450 and 14.5 reduction and 27s on the other one , both of them spin real good , seems to me the  450s are geared low to start with --- I  see you running crush locks  and  they look a little short  ,  from no air I would guess , maybe 28s ? 

they are half wore 30” mayhems, they currently measure at 27”. They actually have air in them, I got the locks with valve stems. Well all except one it has a big gash in it.

1 hour ago, Fishfiles said:

 

Is it just my eyes  , or is that timing chain rubbing a hole in the oil pump housing now , or maybe did it in the past 

good eye, yes looks like from a previous loose chain. 

3 hours ago, jeepwm69 said:

 

 

Looks like you definitely got a bargain there if the crank is good.   Inside looks great.  Low miles or has it been rebuilt and cleaned out?

came off a completely stock 2009, factory tires and all. I’m not completely sure on if it’s been into before but the gasket maker was nice and no slop job, looked factory. I know timing chain has been replaced.

2 hours ago, jeepwm69 said:

35 will be tractor low with 27's.  I'd probably go back stock or get a 15% secondary.

 

I hate stall springs.  They get downright dangerous when trying to start on hills.  Only place for those is on a dedicated pit bike.  That's my opinion, and obviously a lot of people disagree or there wouldn't be a market for them.  LOL

yeah that’s kind of what I was thinking I’m probably going to run the stock gears. And if I don’t like it I’ll throw the gr in. 
 

and good point on the stall. I like my fair share of trail riding, the economy stall may be a better choice.

2 hours ago, sled_22 said:

Nice looking project. Look forward to following it.

My biggest take-away thus far is it appears as if you're rebuilding this engine on the kitchen counter. You must not be married :).

Good luck with the conversion.

haha. It’s one of those folding white outdoor tables, she’s pretty easy to work with doesn’t give me too much !. Been married 10 years so far.