mrbb

Just now, retro said:

You stated that you live near Hazleton. Now you wish to retract that statement. You don't live in any of those wet cities in the newspaper articles, thats deception. I am not going to waste any more of my evening on this discussion @mrbb. I don't like to ban either, so heres what we're gonna do.

 

You are ordered to cease posting about weather anywhere in this forum. First offense will result in an immediate banning. This is an ATV forum. Please stick to commenting about ATV subjects. First time you leave those rails you will be banned. Thank you.

well again, I NEVER said I LIVED IN hazleton, I said NEAR it, I also live near Harrisburg and Scranton, I own TWO houses!

 you wish to CALL me a liar, you better be able to PROVE I am,  and you can take that any way you wish

 I KNOW where I live and AM, YOU don't?

you want to talk FACTS< yet you DON"T have any on your side to PROVE I am wrong!

 you wish to CLAIM my weather reports are LIES< and again  they are NOT< NOR can you prove they are??
 your just being a BULLY cause you want your views on NO climate warming to be right
 

so, just go ahead and BAN me if it makes you feel better about yourself!

 I have better things to do than LIE about weather, and its a SAD that you would think I would?
 

 I also HOPE you MAKE everyone esle that posts about weather PROVE they are being honest  too?
ONLY fair right??
 LOL or doesn't that matter to you?
 

here  some more for you

https://www.citizensvoice.com/news/region-s-annual-rainfall-total-already-exceeds-average-1.2386071

 and I have said this before, I don;t care what name or word, things are NOT The same, agree to disagree

 both sides of the argument on if its real or not, can provide there own FACTS to view there side, I am NOT alone, nor are you!

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

well I am NOT IN hazleton so?? your wrong right there?

here read this  and tell my I am wrong??

 26 inches above average! in 2018 near me!

 and second link show rain about every 40 hours JUST as I stated
https://www.pennlive.com/news/2019/01/2018-saw-record-breaking-rain-in-several-pa-cities.html

https://www.pennlive.com/news/2018/09/record_rainfall_pennsylvania_f.html

well I got news for you, the info I have posted here (else where really) have come from MY local new stations, 3 of them all telling me the same thing, so where are you getting your FACTS on rainfalls in MY area

 MY area, broke a ALL time rain fall record LAST yr, and is again going to break it again according to MY local news stations and there weather depts>

 and where are you getting your Historical data from, as again, MY weather is NOT the same based again on local weather man giving historical data

 as a fact, today NORMAL temp should be in the 30's and it was MID 50's

 am I Lying??
 you like to CLAIM to know things, maybe  state where you r info is coming from!

 you need me to PROVE things to you, that your already claiming I am  wrong with NO proof?? provided?

I dopn;t even think you have a clue what county I am IN

 so how do you KLNOW my historical data period?

 I don;t appreciate being called a liar  as I am NOT one

 and quite honestly if you have a personal ISSUE with me, shouldn;t you be talking to ME in a  PM

 you wish to act all high and mighty, I got news for you, I don;t back down when being called a liar when I am NOT one

 feel free to show me the door if you think me responding and sticking up for mys elf is  wrong , as honestly you r being the bully here NOT me!

 power ego maybe WHO knows?

23 hours ago, KoolBreeze said:

 

It seems like the feeding has changed their habits here also. They don't move as much during the daylight hours as they use too, until the rut at the least. It's going to be hard to put that genie back in the bottle though. Too much $$$ involved in it these days.

personally IMO I think most places deer got very very nocturnal due to both many places allowing feeding, and bigger picture, so many hunters that now pretend to be farmers and plant acres of food plots, feeding deer more like cattle , making them into more grazing animals than browsers that there supposed to be!

 deer learned to eat in bulk at night in fields, when its dark out(safer) and the food is there 24/7 if need be

 and its easier to eat in one place, than have to roam miles to get enough GOOD browse, and have to eat often all day long, as they do in heavy forested area/

 NOW ,They can sit in one spot almost all day, move to a food plot, fill up and repeat, pretty much staying nocturnal if they wished to be!

 add in how many deer now live in SMALL sections of wooded area's as to larger tracts of undeveloped lands

 the safety factor alone, has made many deer learn night time movement are just safer!

and YES 100% on Walmarts selling corn, here it even says DEER CORN on the bags, yet, its Illegal to actually feed deer  here in PA

doesn;t stop many folks from doing it, and the game dept is fully aware of it for decades(heck for yrs it was part of there actually JOB to feed deer in winter time, even had a bunch of there own feeders on a farm I managed still with the state game dept ID tags on them LOL)
 

 there view typically is, unless they get complaints about it, they turn a blind eye to it, UNLESS its in hunting season, then they LIKE to find folks hunting over./near it and fine them for hunting a baited area!

one of the funny things, or I sort of laugh at it is,

 here in PA< the game  dept did a study a few yrs back about baiting deer, they did a few yrs of research, and afterwards, came to to the conclusion, that using BAIT< had ZERO difference on hunters killing deer!

 stating there was NO difference in hunter success , to those that baited and those that didn't

 so, they STUCK to there ban on baiting.

 IMO< that's a LOT of BS, all animals live by there stomachs, easy food, attracts deer, and as such, your odds increase on killing ANY deer

most folks that bait, are being more picky, looking for antlers and such, not just filling tags!, not all, but many

SO< IMO< if there is NO difference in baiting or not, why is one illegal over the other!

 real answer IMO here in PA< is,

 they make a LOT of money off handing out fines to hunters they catch hunting over bait, easy money for them ! LOL

 if they really wanted to stop baiting here, they should be targeting the folks selling the corn labeled for deer feed?

just like catching those that sell drugs, over just them that buy it?

17 minutes ago, jeepwm69 said:

Marlin has gone downhill, along with Remington after Cerberus ran them into the ground. Love the older JM marked Marlins!

well remington owns marlin now LOL

 and I sort of agree, but they both still do make some nice one 's yet

 very few gun makers still make guns of the same high quality bluing and wood as they used to in normal lines, now its all custom shop over priced , for what your getting as to what they did yrs back IMO!

 I'm just glad we don;t have boat loads of made in chine cheap junk flooding stores, like we do with all other sorts of things from ATV parts, to carbs to cheap knock off everything!

 so I can at least say I am glad the firearms were DO get from other places tends to be of GOOD quality!

 and hope it stays this way,!!

6 minutes ago, retro said:

You are pushing your climate change agenda views on everyone else @mrbb. Without the benefit of factual data that could possibly provide support to those views as well.

 

This is a warning. Cease or you'll be banned from this thread.

feel free to block me if MY opinion is wrong to post on a tread

 and its NOT just MY opinion, there are thousands if not million that feel the same way

 just cause  YOU  don't doesn;t mean your right either you know, its also YOUR opinion here too you know

 where are your facts that are Proven TO BE 100% CORRECT, MAKING MINE WRONG!

 where is your PROOF its NOT abnormal weather?

  and also where am I wrong  from forum rules to post MY opinion, right OR wrong!

 sounds like your just being  a bully here to me?

 so do as you wish!

1 minute ago, mrbb said:

 well for one, its NOT MY WEATHER Problems
 WEATHER IS OFF ITS NORMAL all over THE WORLD!

 SO??
 

AND  in MY opinion,  IT would be nice if folks, stopped arguing about the name of this weather changes!

 be it global warming, climate change or CYCLES of BLAH BLAH BLAH

the name or , doesn;t matter, things are not normal!

 and just admit things are not the same.

  maybe folks stop wasting so many things and  work better at  figuring out some better ways to destroy the planet as we are doing at alarming rates IMO!

 I am sure there are smarter folks than me that have better idea's

 maybe we should; be listening to them more, rather than all sides just fighting over things like they do

 just like  the dem/republican's and??

 they spend s much time arguing about WHO side is right VERY little gets done, and most folks seem blind to this or don;t care, as long as there NOT seemingly directly effected!

 but sadly we all are!

lots money being wasted on fighting sides over fixing  any problems IMO!

 and that money comes from tax payers!

 

 does anyone actually believe the world is getting better?

as  I constantly hear folks saying the other way, that is going down hill, society is slipping, morals are slipping,  doing whats RIGHT< is not happening over, being politically  correct! and BLAH BLAH BLAH

look back a 100 yrs and see what the environment was like then as to now, and tell me its better now, cleaner , safer, 

 go back 50 yrs and tell me its better and safer, cleaner and??

I doubt you will prove it was, but many will sure say it!

 the simple amount of land that was NOT developed or destroyed by man, mad  many things cleaner

 just MY 2 cents

 I don;t have the answers to fix things, and I doubt many would like many other things I think should be happening!

 people got SOFT Over the past few decades! IMO

destroying what thousands of folks died to have for us and all down the drain!, bet there rolling over in there graves at what is happening now! IMO!

 

 

 

38 minutes ago, retro said:

What do you propose that we do about your weather problems @mrbb?

well it was low 50's today here and sunny(sunny and mid 40's yesterday) and calling for warmer tomorrow!

 sounds like a great day weather wise fore most folks

 but its DEC, winter is here, should;cold and snow ??

 I have a orphaned cub here  right now, all confused due to weather, NOT helping me HELP it learn to den when weather gets warm and shouldn;t be!

 this iis  what I am talking about, when accused of complaining LOL

 its NOT normal weather and it has BAD effects on wildlife, maybe some don;t care about it, and rather have nice weather to be in, but its NOT normal weather, and its screwing up a lot of things we all take for granted will work out!

crops rely on weather, and farmers plant based on TYPICAL normal weather, when the weather isn;t normal,  it can mean loss of crops , from just LOW yields to NO yields and costs to re plant, get reflected to the consumer,

 so it effects EVERYONE! not just me complaining here LOL

 I haven't had a decent apple harvest here in 5 yrs now due to extreme temp swings so often  and late frosts and early warm ups followed by extreme colds

haven't seen an acorn in my yard in 6 yrs now for same reasons!

 ever wonder why so much wildlife is NOW near houses

 its cause the natural foods they USED to live on in the wilds ain't there like they used to

 more PLANTED  and cared for foods near houses!

here is another older one

 a Rem model 14A from 1925, in .30 rem

and another older shotgun LOL

 here is a nice pretty clean Ithaca Lefever grade A  12 ga as well

 from  1940

 I think I have a bunch of pre war guns like these, just a few I have pic's handy

 last few yrs I think I sold about 50+ or so, all before the 1940 age mark

and still selling some more LOL

15 minutes ago, Macarena Man said:

Very nice . . . . looks somewhat similar to our Model 60 Cooey firearms from Coburg, Ontario.  Later bought out by Winchester.

An older El Paso Weaver ?

 yes it has a older age correct weaver scope on it, and the scope is like brand new clear and all LOL
 which you don;t find often anymore!  on these old one's!

and it also has    the original scope mounts made for it, they only made them with checkering for 4 yrs, 1936-1939 if memory is correct yet!

 and then her is another older shotgun, this is from I think about 1914, a Rem, model 10 ,, 12 ga bore

 I have a few older .22's and you'd be surprised how accurate they are compared to a lot of the so called NEW one's made today

 here is a 1930's savage Model 5

10 hours ago, retro said:

 

Do you ever have a good day? The sky is not falling man.... its great to be alive, celebrate something today!

HAHA< NO the sky isn't falling, but its also not that great for me lately and been just getting worse.

its not easy to wake up every day in tons of pain knowing all day long they tend to get worse, and after all the hits I took the past few yrs??

  add in this crappy weather that makes things harder and worse!

as for great to be alive, NO not for me anymore, I wake up every day and honestly wish I didn't!!
 

 so, NO, I  guess I don't sadly have many good days anymore! if you wanted a honest answer here!

 as they say, till one walks in someone shoes a while, it hard to judge things!

 and 

 if me posting about crappy weather upset's folks, let me know and I'll stop posting!

 here!

 not here to make anyone unhappy !

11 minutes ago, KoolBreeze said:

Nice racks on some of those whitetails. I hunt as often as I can, which hasn't been often enough this season but I'm about to change that after Christmas.

 

I hunt in 2 counties that are just outside the CWD zone, so I started testing every one I kill last year. I'm not sure what to think about it honestly. Some scary stuff. They say a negative test is not a 100% guarantee the animal isn't infected and even though there aren't any documented cases in humans yet, some of the experts believe it's just a matter of time before there are. Then you have the difficulties of disinfecting/killing the prions. From what I've read it takes 1800 degrees to kill them. They say to wear gloves when handling them and avoid getting the bodily fluids on your gear. Fish & game recommends soaking your knives and such in a 50/50 bleach solution for 2 hours to disinfect them. All of that crap makes me not even want to shoot them anymore, let alone dress them and eat the meat. I'll probably never quit hunting though because I enjoy being out there. It is a great stress reliever.

this is also one of the BIG reasons, over the past many yrs, or in MY state, the game dept has been pushing hard to STOP people from throwing out remains after butchering in the woods and to have things taken care of in  different ways, as they also feel its a possibility that when people just throw things out in the woods to rot away, it can make other animals sick!

and yes it is a scary thing to think about the possibility of getting sick from eating wildlife

 In the PA< Fish  lic book, it STATES how many fish you can SAFELY eat from most of the main waterways, and many places they again recommend you DON"T eat any at all!

 same water again  deer and other wildlife animals drink from,

makes one wonder??

 I know here in my area there are still many DEAD streams and creeks from mining, where water will NOT support life of fish and many other things, and again, DEER and other wildlife will drink it too ?

and to also be clear here a LOT of game depts, believe how CWD got into THERE state , is from a hunter having killed a deer in a  state with effected deer and bringing the HEAD back with them,

 another possible cause is, , in PEN RAISED deer, where there is BIG $$$< and folks import genetics thru  the mail with sperm from other deer and then, well you know!

the QUEST for making MONEY, has lead to a LOT of things going BAD!

 deer of almost un natural sizes and antlers is a goal, that is almost altering genetic make up, to produce them

 ever wonder about this side of things?

 MOST states that have issue's with CWD< also have  MUCH higher pend raised deer facilities now than ever as well?

 Funny how more of them popping up and suddenly more outbreaks, and well, folks still want to point the finger at round up, thats been in use decades before the CWD issue's and Blue tongue( EHD) and other things!

28 for a high here today and calling for mid 50's on Monday??
 and HOPE for once there really right, so my ice can melt

 BUT also see there calling for some rains and temps dropping below freezing at night time

 so might be get rid of this ice, and just get more NEW ice  in the near future! LOL

 this is the problem with warm ups in winter time, instead of snow, you get rain that turns to ice!

36 minutes ago, retro said:

What other chemicals? If you're so convinced then lay out the causal facts for us. Baseless opinion does not hide the elephant in the room.

 

Water quality has improved considerably in the last 50 years due to countless regulations passed to control corporate dumping of waste products. The number one pollutant nowadays is agricultural chemicals, both on the land and in the waterways. Where water pools and stagnates its a highly toxic problem, kills vegetation, frogs and amphibians, even mosquitos larvae in many cases!

 

Take a walk through a field of oats after its been sprayed at harvest time and see if you can make it across that field with your health intact? You won't walk very far before you'll be as dead as the ground you are walking on. No biological living thing survives Glyphosate and its derivatives.  It's common sense man.... there are no other deadly poisons allowed to be distributed on this planet. No other types of poisons are measurable in food crops after harvest except for high concentrations of commercial AG chemicals. There are no other measurable poison substances found in our natural waterways either, except for Mercury, which was distributed by corp dumping decades ago.

well, I have been farming part time for 30+ yrs, walked across many fields after harvest as well as been using round up and countless other like designed products

ain't killed me yet so?/ LOL

 NOW< as for water quality

 YOU think water is getting better??

10 yrs ago, most water ways in PA< held fish all yr and there were NO limits on how many you can consume

 NOW< almost every water way in PA< fails to hold NATURAL fish, yr round, very few remaining streams, creek/ brooks that hold native fish, due to BAD water quality

 VERY few water ways in PA< DON"T have limits or even BANS on how many fish you can catch and EAT safely!

 processing plants have more chemicals added to KILL things in current waters now than ever and have MORE steps to making them SAFE to drink, and MANY folks DON"T trust them, its why BOTTLED water sells so much(and not like its all that much safer or better, but people FEEL it is)

 NOW as for other chemicals

well, what about ALL the drugs HUMANS take, or give to our pets?
 where do you think the by products end up after going thru a body?

 all the chemicals in TRASH we bury!

 all the chemicals that we use and omit into the air, that end up coming back down and landing on plants water soil and so on!

face it, we humans are BAD for nature period!

 NOW don't get me wrong I am NOT saying  round up and like Glyphosate are GOOD things for us humans or wildlife

 BUT what I am saying is I doubt there the MAIN factor in CWD in deer, as like you said, its used EVERY where, by both professionals(farmers and likes) and the general public!

 if it was causing CWD, it would be showing up every where in a LOT higher numbers!

 can it be PART of the cause, MAYBE, like anything, when you start mixing things together, anything can happen IMO!

many state game depts like to BLAME farmers for a LOT of things too,  FACT here in PA
 a state that USED to be a top 5 pheasant state and now, have almost ZERO wild pheasants

 guess who got  blamed for them going under??

 Farmers!

 they blamed modern farming for the MAIN cause of why we have NO wild pheasants here

 YET magically, many LARGER more AG states  with more farmers/farms and farm land in acres!

still have them!

 then they blamed habitat saying, we LOST too much of it, for them to survive

 so they spent like 700+ million bucks on PEN raise and released birds so HUNTERS could shoot some(many got eaten by cats or hit by cars as they were too dumb to know how to survive after being pen raised and dumped into the wild)

then after about 30 yrs of this they FINALLY, came to the conclusion, it is NOT a viable thing to do>>
 HUMM< maybe they should have spent that money on habitat! and  studies on what happened

NOPE< that would have made sense>
 state game dept, also left the forests here in PA< get severely damaged from over populations of deer, to the point, 15+ yrs later, many forests are stil FAR from even close to recovering>

 SO< IMO< don't think Game dept's are ALL that great at solving problems or making correct calls!

 HECK< here in PA< they won't even take credit for dropping the ball on loosing pheasants, or all the destruction of habitat that also caused huge losses in numbers of tons of wildlife, from grouse(state game bird), woodcock, and many other HUNTED species!!

they act as if its NOT there JOB to have seen things and stopped them from happening

 YET job description and title says other wise!

I am GLAD we have game depts for sure, but HANDS on first hand experience working with many , trust me, they ain;t all that GREAT at things as you would thing they should be!

 and I will also say this, MANY states game dept's are LIGHT years ahead of other states game depts too!

 worked with MANY over the yrs to see this first hand as well!

 blaming Feeding deer as cause to this CWD< is a bunch of CRAP

it MIGHT help spread it, but its NOT the cause!

 like it or not, MILLIONS of folks feed deer round up ready corn and tons of it

 and if it was KILLING them,, we have very few deer in the USA !

 same with them eating standing crops that get treated with it!
 

 don't believe this

 what do you think they feed MOST animals WE human eats??
 pig, cattle, chickens, turkeys??
treated corn and by products??

if round up was killing deer with CWD, it would be showing up in US humans as well, as other  animals raised to feed us!

 I have bears here that are 16+ yrs old, that feed off corn fields below me,  eating a  few ton of corn every yr<

they seem pretty darn healthy to me still> LOL
 and countless other bears on other farms I managed that been there for YRS

 as well as some deer I can ID< that are 7-9 yrs old and healthy  too!

I don;t drink the coolaid that round up/Glyphosate is causing CWD any way shape or form

 nor is it from them eating corn!

 I planed enough of it in food plots for decades and not a single case of it on the farms I did so!

 something else is the cause IMO

way too easy to again, blame a chemical and or a farmer 

On 12/19/2019 at 7:12 PM, retro said:

CWD is a problem in agricultural areas and in areas where people bait or feed deer. Monsanto & Dow agricultural herbicides are the cause. The DNR knows it, we all know it. We were never fooled. The DNR covers the Roundup link to CWD up and plays dumb under orders from the feds. In MIchigan the DNR altered baiting rules in an effort to control the disease and those rules have helped. But folks still buy treated corn and oats and feed deer all over the continent, so CWD may pop up anywhere. But the good news is, once the chemical-laced foods are taken away from the wildlife they recover and prosper. They'll tell ya all about CWD in about 40 years, like they told ya about DDT in the 70s, once all of the birth defects had run their course and folks weren't angry anymore.

I really question if this is a FEEDING deer issue

 and my logic is this, many of the BIG players that feed deer INSANE amounts of food/corn, grains ans such, have for decades problem free, like Texas as an example, some wealthy ranches will spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on feeding programs and hundreds of tons of corn(round up branded corn too boot) and they didn;t have the CWD issue's that are found else where

 so, if feeding was causing the  disease, it should have started there IMO

YES if there ARE sick animals and you ARE feeding causing many to eat in the same   feeder, or pile or??

then I can see it HELPING to MAYBE spread to other dears, due to such close contact with each other and well, deer do drop food out of there mouths and others can then eat it?

 But I know of Countless folks that have feed wildlife to decades and still do, and ZERO Issues, in countless states and locations

 whee its NOT been found!

 SO, IMO< this is a BIG reason to think its NOT feeding deer that is the problem!

 NOW Once a it shows up in an area, it will NOT be good idea to keep feeding IMO< due to the above reasons

 but the main cause I doubt is from anyone feeding them!

 I again blame water quality and or other chemicals there getting some other way!

well, I don't tend to post pic's of my guns, heck don't even have many of most

as I well, have a LOT of em

 had a gun shop for yrs and collected a LOT from there, and cannot tell you how many folks have contacted me  when a loved one passed away and asked me to buy there collection off them, which REALLY added to the amount of things I have, as picking up 10-40 at a time, , things got a little out of hand.

 the past 10 yrs or so, I think I sold about 200 or so, and still have way too many! LOL

I seem to have some I call safe queens I have a few safes  to boot) that were picked up more as collectible/investments and never shot, as well as a lot of things in doubles,, one for using, one for leaving new or?

I never seemed to have any one type I liked,  I like a lot of types, from old to new, from classic's to more modern,!

 I was also a long time competitive shooter in about every class there was, my fav was Long range , but I dabbled in most types at one point or another!

was also a class III dealer, so got to enjoy a lot of them as well and there other devices!

 I never found anything wrong with guns , its the people using them that can be a problem, but I never feel a gun or a type of gun(firearm) is a issue's

there just a  tool like anything else, used right they do what designed for, when used wrong, anything can happen

6 degree's this morning when I got up and about 19 now, with 3 inches of snow on all my ice

 WEEeeeeeeee!!

 just went and bought 500 lbs of rock salt?
 

I'd love to try to plow, but I know that would be pointless, as side hills and ice and gravity, I'll just end up sliding into a tree and getting something stuck or broken!

point of plowing would be to move snow, so SUNLIGHT can TRY and help melt ice,

 as white snow, is a insulator and sun reflector, leaving snow on top of ice, just makes lce last longer!

don't worry Fish, I only play by the legal rules, in PA, its a tricky deal, on HOW many, as its sort of based on HOW many tag's you wish to BUY or get lucky and can BUY

 we have special reg area's that for yrs tags were pretty much unlimited

 But again, I used to also hunt 3-7 different states a yr, WV, was if I recall correctly, 7 deer per season with correct tags

 I also did crop damage hunts and control as well, all LEGALLY

 I couldn't even imagine how many deer I killed legally, but I know its a LOT more than most by a LOT!,as I sure went way over board for yrs on hunting, 90-100+ days a yr for a few decades!

 the crazy amount of hours I used to log in every yr sitting in tree stands , I doubt many would believe me if I told you's as for yrs I kept good records on things, before just giving up on that too, too much work for nothing IMO

 NOW As for CWD  in deer, right now there are issue's with it being found in PA , certain area's have it and the state is trying its best to figure out where all its at, asking for folks to donate heads and deer parts to study this yr

 there is also a big issue with MAGE in our Black bears, in parts of the state as well, that have been popping up more and more often, a rather cruel way for a bear to die going bald and unable to live as such!

 and then there is and has been a BIG issue with loosing Bats, now about a  decade or more, numbers are dropping at alarming rates all over the USA, called white tongue disease 

 I personally thing it has to do with water quality, I mean just think how far we have gone in such a few short decades on water quality

 from streams and rivers and lakes , so polluted fish cannot be eaten anymore, or on major limits on what you can consume, water treatment processes that are getting more and more extreme to be safe to drink

 and then all the wild life is stuck drinking from the polluted sources directly

 think about it?

chemicals, drugs and what not's all end up in water, treatment plants make it safe for humans afterwards(or so they claim LOL)
  many  animals/wildlife  and like things ain;t getting treated water  to drink!

and stuck absorbing all the bad things, its NOT like wild animals have state of the art treatment plants inside them
 and then how many of these animals do we eat>

 has to have some side effects NO??

well I can understand why some folks only want big ones

 I know I was sort of guilty of that too, as I loved to travel and hunt, and if I was spending a few grand to travel and go some place, I didn;t just want meat, I can get all of that I want at home(used to shoot about 15-20 deer a yr and give most away to folks that begged me for it, never went to waste)

 so, when I was far from home on a hunt, I was more selective on what I would shoot, unless there were terms to me being there(some land owners needed me to shoot a doe first before allowing me to hunt for bucks) and I always did as asked, I never found finding deer hard, came to me rather easy, so, just going some place and filling a tag, was rather easy for me, so, I always set size goals based on where I would be hunting, and always tried to the larger class for an area, and if I didn;t tag out, so be it, I enjoyed the hunt regardless, a kill was never needed for me, 

However, I seldom didn;t fill a tag either??

 I do know on a  VERY costly hunt in alberta (over a grand a day deal)

 I shot a wounded deer someone had shot and not got, FAR from what I wanted, but , to me was the right thing to do

 costly, but,  life ain';t all about money either! LOL

 this deer here now with a  broken leg is bothering me, wish the state would let me take it out, butcher it and donate to a good cause!

 rather than see it suffer, but sadly, they don;t do that??
NO money in it for them IMO, , the right thing to do, they care less about!, claim Mother nature will handle it!