quadjunkie454 9 Posted September 27, 2021 On 9/25/2021 at 8:12 AM, jeepwm69 said: Correct, you’ll have to pull the front cover. It’s easiest if you remove the foot wells and get as much room in front of the engine as possible (by removing things) and then stand it up on the rear rack. They will stand up on the rear rack and rear wheels sticking straight up in the air. Unhook wires on the valve body and be careful not to break the plugs off of the valve body as they are pricey. If I recall correctly you’ll have to unhook the radiator lines as well. Clamp them shut and tuck them up out of the way. Then you can remove the front cover and you should be able to see what you’re looking for. ok after a few cuss words and trying I got the front cover part ways off, enough to see the return pin appears to be there not broken! Frick back to the drawing board, put it back together test the shift position switch, maby a motor, maby get a real 500 FA manual Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeepwm69 7,719 Posted September 27, 2021 I'd try to shift it while you have the cover off (using the tool) and see if you see anything odd when doing so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quadjunkie454 9 Posted September 28, 2021 amazing with the tool now with the atv ! up i get a Neural Reverse 5 fowards . I never removed the VB but ill have to re seal the case and some o rings possibly, well frick. I have a manual now that sorta helps but i need to further test my switches and sensors. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quadjunkie454 9 Posted September 28, 2021 I got the front cover off doing some inspecting I’m looking at the oil feed pipe and it looks worn cavitated. I don’t think it supposed to look like this. Loss of oil pressure? Somthing get into a fight with it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeepwm69 7,719 Posted September 28, 2021 That doesn't look right. @Melatv any thoughts? Last time I was in a 420FA motor was 2015 or so, so I don't remember much other than I didn't like it! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quadjunkie454 9 Posted September 28, 2021 Yeah I got a rent or clutch puller installer to remove the center clutch, to remove the spacer to put a gasket on Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeepwm69 7,719 Posted September 28, 2021 Autozone rental might have what you need. I bought these in 2013 for $29, and they have more than paid for themselves. Looks like no longer available, but similar are listed for about $30. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000NPT698/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quadjunkie454 9 Posted September 28, 2021 I’ll buy one in the link you posted thank you I have to borrow one from the Honda shop nearest AutoZone is 3 hrs away 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quadjunkie454 9 Posted September 28, 2021 That’s just a big 3 jaw ThTs all I need I thought it had to thread onto the snout special tool, I have a large 3 jaw I’ll try tonight! Jeep I appreciate the tips you have! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quadjunkie454 9 Posted October 25, 2021 FINALLY got my gaskets and o rings to put it together. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadetree 5,969 Posted October 25, 2021 10 hours ago, quadjunkie454 said: FINALLY got my gaskets and o rings to put it together. good lord, i envy you quad doing all this, i'm sure glad i stick with manual shift models !. i would have to check into the nutt house after dealing with auto/es models after seeing what you are going through !..lol. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quadjunkie454 9 Posted October 26, 2021 (edited) Ok I put it all back together before I put it down on its wheels I tried using the manual shifter with the motor installed, I was only allowed to get one shift and it felt stuck and would not rachet back to grab another gear, I then unbolted the shifter motor and I heard the rachet return “ free up” without the shifter motor installed I can shift through all the gears with the manual shifter. The gears are all clean and lightly greased. Somthing with the shifter motor is binding up with the shift change it’s like sticky or somthing. you can feel the resistance with the motor on. The motor output gear seems to spin fine by finger Without the motor bolted on it makes firm sure shifts like it should and returns ready for another gear.. I’m getting a shifter motor tommaorow. Maby slop in the gears.. agh Edited October 26, 2021 by quadjunkie454 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quadjunkie454 9 Posted October 26, 2021 (edited) 20 hours ago, shadetree said: good lord, i envy you quad doing all this, i'm sure glad i stick with manual shift models !. i would have to check into the nutt house after dealing with auto/es models after seeing what you are going through !..lol. Oh they are a toilet!!! no man in their right mind take a Es quad into the bush with them here it’s a unspoken rule lol you will walk home!!! You will have issues lol the dude is crying for it and I’m trying so hard for the guy. now that it’s together I can try testing sensors n stuff more seriously Edited October 26, 2021 by quadjunkie454 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fishfiles 20,147 Posted October 26, 2021 2 hours ago, quadjunkie454 said: Oh they are a toilet!!! no man in their right mind take a Es quad into the bush Resume of an ES'er = Cripple , lazy or crazy : LOL ---- just kidding , to each their own 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quadjunkie454 9 Posted October 26, 2021 347$ for a shift motor holy cow! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
THH 297 Posted October 26, 2021 30 minutes ago, quadjunkie454 said: 347$ for a shift motor holy cow! Power Sports Nation has one for 40 bucks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quadjunkie454 9 Posted October 26, 2021 I’m in Canada I’m not even going to try to order state side again. I wonder if their as good as Honda Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeepwm69 7,719 Posted October 26, 2021 10 minutes ago, quadjunkie454 said: I’m in Canada I’m not even going to try to order state side again. I wonder if their as good as Honda Stick to OEM, even if you have to buy used. Powersportsnation isn't as cheap as they used to be, but they do sell OEM used parts, and they stand behind what they sell. They've having a 20% sale this weekend if you buy two or more parts as well. Might be worth checking out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadetree 5,969 Posted October 26, 2021 3 hours ago, quadjunkie454 said: 347$ for a shift motor holy cow! haha...and NOW you are getting the taste of what it takes to keep these atvs in tip top shape huh ?..rofl. THERE IS NOTHING...AND I MEAN NOTHING CHEAP ABOUT REPAIR AND REPLACE WHEN IT COMES TO PARTS, SPEC OEM PARTS !. i spent just about 5k on my 2003 trx450fm atv, start to finish, it put a huge dent in my wallet, but it was worth every dime !. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quadjunkie454 9 Posted October 27, 2021 It’s a customers quad actually he’s crying for it. I will Never take a electrical job again. It’s apparent the drag on the shift motor output gear is to much for the return spring in the transmission to return to grab another gear. Don’t know if that’s a huge deal. He did say it’s his 3rd shift motor anyway I’m working late on the quad to get it on it’s wheels and do some tests if I can from the manual, chime away Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadetree 5,969 Posted October 27, 2021 1 hour ago, quadjunkie454 said: It’s a customers quad actually he’s crying for it. I will Never take a electrical job again. It’s apparent the drag on the shift motor output gear is to much for the return spring in the transmission to return to grab another gear. Don’t know if that’s a huge deal. He did say it’s his 3rd shift motor anyway I’m working late on the quad to get it on it’s wheels and do some tests if I can from the manual, chime away tell that guy to put a .99 cent for sale sign on it, then rush out and buy a manual shift model !..rofl. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quadjunkie454 9 Posted October 27, 2021 No start now, did when I took it apart. turns over, great spark dry as a bone pulled it 3 times. Never drained the fuel charged battery. I hear the fuel pump full tank of fuel. What did I do! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeepwm69 7,719 Posted October 27, 2021 Unplug that fuel injection relay and plug it back in. It's back by the battery. You might also check the bank angle sensor. In fact, if you want to bypass both of those a jumper wire from battery + to the red/black wire on the coil will do so (temporarily, of course, till you figure out where your issue is) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quadjunkie454 9 Posted October 28, 2021 (edited) Enough with the sensors!! Haha frig I’ll do as you say with the relay i must be able to reset the bank sensor? Jump it to try. maby I’ll youtube it or find out how Edited October 28, 2021 by quadjunkie454 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeepwm69 7,719 Posted October 28, 2021 13 hours ago, quadjunkie454 said: Enough with the sensors!! Haha frig I’ll do as you say with the relay i must be able to reset the bank sensor? Jump it to try. maby I’ll youtube it or find out how You can bypass it, or get a new one, or gut it altogether. But first, run that jumper wire from battery + post to the red black wire on the coil, and see if it will start with the jumper wire in place. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites