Lildog 5 Posted August 28, 2022 (edited) 2002Rancher won't start electric start getting 12V to starter unit is in neutral will start using pull rope but cannot shift electric or with Manuel shift lever , neutral light is on N flashing 3 times , ????? ( new battery), I feel if I get shift problem resolved it will start acts like it's locked in neutral any ideas out there Edited August 28, 2022 by Lildog Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Goober 1,555 Posted August 28, 2022 Starter might be worn needing replacement. try adjusting clutch for the shifting problem Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toodeep 1,759 Posted August 28, 2022 Starter brushes for the starting issue. If you can't get it to shift manually you have mechanical issues there and the most common thing is a cracked shift plate. The front cover has to be removed to inspect that. If the shift shaft is froze up then the shift reduction gears might giving issues but I'm going to guess the shift shaft is moving and trying to shift. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lildog 5 Posted August 29, 2022 17 hours ago, toodeep said: Starter brushes for the starting issue. If you can't get it to shift manually you have mechanical issues there and the most common thing is a cracked shift plate. The front cover has to be removed to inspect that. If the shift shaft is froze up then the shift reduction gears might giving issues but I'm going to guess the shift shaft is moving and trying to shift. 17 hours ago, toodeep said: Starter brushes for the starting issue. If you can't get it to shift manually you have mechanical issues there and the most common thing is a cracked shift plate. The front cover has to be removed to inspect that. If the shift shaft is froze up then the shift reduction gears might giving issues but I'm going to guess the shift shaft is moving and trying to shift. Hello Toodeep starter removed has definite short ,replacing that , shift issue-- I cannot move the Manuel shift lever up as in to 1st-thru 5th at all will move down a little but doesn't shift , also there is no current to shift motor from switch on handle bar, any thoughts?? 17 hours ago, toodeep said: Starter brushes for the starting issue. If you can't get it to shift manually you have mechanical issues there and the most common thing is a cracked shift plate. The front cover has to be removed to inspect that. If the shift shaft is froze up then the shift reduction gears might giving issues but I'm going to guess the shift shaft is moving and trying to shift. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toodeep 1,759 Posted August 29, 2022 We will deal with the mechanical side for chasing anything electrical on the shift issue. I'm guessing the machine is in neutral and the reverse lever is not pulled when shifting down. Have you tried shifting it into reverse? Have you removed the shift motor and reduction gears and tried to shift it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lildog 5 Posted August 30, 2022 Toodeep I got the shift motor to shift this morning putting 12v to it from the battery , I got it to up shift to 1st and 2nd ran out of time , can also up shift to forward with manual lever , down shift I could not , going to pull shift motor clean every thing up and see what happens Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toodeep 1,759 Posted August 30, 2022 The electric shift part is not getting the correct readings from the components and it's putting itself into safe mode, that's why I said we will worry about the manual part of it first. I think once we can get it to shift manually through all the gears, your electric shift will work fine. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lildog 5 Posted August 31, 2022 Question for the group , is there a downloadable service manual i can get for this machine , clutch adjustment , shift motor and gear removal . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeepwm69 7,725 Posted August 31, 2022 Yep, click in the service manuals button in the toolbar at the top of the forum Pick Honda, Utility, then 350 Rancher. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lildog 5 Posted August 31, 2022 Thanks jeepwm69 ya I found that and got the Manuel , guess I'm getting a little slow in my old age , Thanks Again 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lildog 5 Posted September 2, 2022 Hey guys here's what I found , pulled shift motor magnets busted in motor , got that coming , with motor off I CAN shift manually through all gears including reverse , also that cleared the blinking neutral indicator !! So all is good I believe .. should I pull the front cover and clean up the gears new grease if so what's involved , and what type grease should I use thin white , wheel bearing ??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lildog 5 Posted September 2, 2022 Wow thanks fishfiles great info 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fishfiles 20,147 Posted September 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Lildog said: Wow thanks fishfiles great info Thanks goes to Retro , for the time he spent figuring it all out and then making a very nice article out of it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lildog 5 Posted September 2, 2022 Thank you Retro for the very detailed Honda ES Maintenance post , well done! Again Thanks Fishfiles for the link to the post Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lildog 5 Posted September 10, 2022 Thanks guys for all the help got the machine back together this morning , rebuilt the starter new brushes , O rings , seals, starts like a new one , pulled Elec. shift motor and and the gears replace the shift motor magnets cracked , followed Retros ES shift service procedure to the T Wow what a difference , this machine didn't shift this smooth and this quiet when it was New Thank you Retro! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
