shadetree 5,867 Posted October 24, 2020 do me a favor bro..go to partzilla, pull up your year/make/model atv, look up the flywheel clutch ( alternator ), look at the one-way clutch bearing, then go to the clutch fich, look at the one-way bearing that sits inside the drum..DO THEY LOOK THE SAME TOO YOU ????. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadetree 5,867 Posted October 24, 2020 20 bucks says you bought ( they sold you ) the starter side bearing ?, and you think you have the clutch bearing !..lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wheeler 2,525 Posted October 24, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, shadetree said: thanks..ok..now tell me..how the heck you set this down in the drum ????, because this bearing is not the correct bearing !!, this is the starter side one-way bearing bro, IT WILL NOT FIT CORRECTLY IN THE CENTRIFUGAL CLUTCH DRUM !. from what i gather ?..who ever the freak sold you what '' they thought '' ?, or only could get their hands on ??!!..sold you the starter side one-way clutch bearing !, reason : BECAUSE THE CENTRIFUGAL CLUTCH ONE-WAY BEARING IS DISCONTINUED TODAY !!. sooo..i'd really love to know how the heck you set this down inside the centrifugal clutch drum ??!!!..AND IT BE CORRECT !..LOL. Well I must be a one off... ya man it fit.. like I said, It fit rite on.. worked great, even with the lip.. it didn't impede anything, at all... Yes I know the reverse cable is working correctly because I installed it correctly this time around.. You know what shadetree.. maybe, just maybe, you can learn from me on this one.. I mean it fit on & worked perfect.. I dunno what else to say... I don't need to go to Partzilla & do that.. here is a pic of the one I took out. I KNOW I have (they sold me the starter bearing) even thought I told them clutch bearing.. didn't know they were discontinued like you say... Edited October 24, 2020 by Wheeler 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadetree 5,867 Posted October 24, 2020 here is a one-way clutch bearing. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadetree 5,867 Posted October 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, Wheeler said: Well I must be a one off... ya man it fit.. like I said, It fit rite on.. worked great, even with the lip.. it didn't impede anything, at all... Yes I know the reverse cable is working correctly because I installed it correctly this time around.. You know what shadetree.. maybe, just maybe, you can learn from me on this one.. I mean it fit on & worked perfect.. I dunno what else to say... I don't need to go to Partzilla & do that.. here is a pic of the one I took out. I KNOW I have (they sold me the starter bearing) even thought I told them clutch bearing.. didn't know they were discontinued like you say... lol, i'd love to see this sitting down inside the clutch drum !!..lol. i don't know how you got it to fit ??..but hey..if it works ?..great !..but..question is..FOR HOW LONG ??..LOL. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadetree 5,867 Posted October 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, Wheeler said: Well I must be a one off... ya man it fit.. like I said, It fit rite on.. worked great, even with the lip.. it didn't impede anything, at all... Yes I know the reverse cable is working correctly because I installed it correctly this time around.. You know what shadetree.. maybe, just maybe, you can learn from me on this one.. I mean it fit on & worked perfect.. I dunno what else to say... I don't need to go to Partzilla & do that.. here is a pic of the one I took out. I KNOW I have (they sold me the starter bearing) even thought I told them clutch bearing.. didn't know they were discontinued like you say... they sold you that bearing...because the clutch bearing is discontinued..thats why !..lol. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadetree 5,867 Posted October 24, 2020 4 hours ago, Wheeler said: Well I must be a one off... ya man it fit.. like I said, It fit rite on.. worked great, even with the lip.. it didn't impede anything, at all... Yes I know the reverse cable is working correctly because I installed it correctly this time around.. You know what shadetree.. maybe, just maybe, you can learn from me on this one.. I mean it fit on & worked perfect.. I dunno what else to say... I don't need to go to Partzilla & do that.. here is a pic of the one I took out. I KNOW I have (they sold me the starter bearing) even thought I told them clutch bearing.. didn't know they were discontinued like you say... now this is a one-way clutch bearing, and i see you edited this post !..lol. this bearing, and the one they sold you..is two different bearings !..lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fishfiles 20,145 Posted October 25, 2020 the starter clutch one way bearing #3 that is in the flange and bolts to the back of the flywheel is no longer available from Honda , the centrifical clutch one way bearing #26 is still available ------- could the bearing on both sides be the same or similar and the mounting flange of the starter clutch side be the difference ----my 95 300 engine is apart and on the table right now , the flywheel is still off and the clutch is still out , I could snap some pics and take some measurements ----I know Wheeler seems like he is by this , could be good to know in the future 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fishfiles 20,145 Posted October 25, 2020 I just read a bunch but not all of you'll chat , read about the lobs being the same but the cages different , going to try and take a look at them two bearings today , but have company coming again today Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fishfiles 20,145 Posted October 25, 2020 I typed in one way bearing for Honda 300 on e-bay , there are a lot of after market out there , clutch or starter side , to me many are misleading in their description of the part and looking at the pics the cage looks the same in both the flanged starter side and the no flange clutch side --------- seen them going as cheap as $15 , must be real good quality China stuff , LOL 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wheeler 2,525 Posted October 25, 2020 (edited) It’s been driving me nuts.. kept waking up thinking about all of this.. I tipped the quad back up to get the oil in the other side. I’m pulling it back apart. Getting pictures, & going to sand down the clutch weights because I can’t have my quad moving in gear. With higher stall weights it should be able to use more rpm before they engage. So I just need some more clearance. Edited October 25, 2020 by Wheeler Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fishfiles 20,145 Posted October 25, 2020 I had said I thought taking out some of the I.D. of the drum when you flapper wheeled it down , might have had an effect on performance and made it not grab as good , could only imagine if it had not been smoothed out , it would have been even tighter than it is 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wheeler 2,525 Posted October 25, 2020 There is how it sits... gonna drink this coffee & think about the best way to do this..! kick starter popped off this time. Don’t worry I got the washer lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wheeler 2,525 Posted October 25, 2020 (edited) Here’s the bearing. Fits rite in, arrow rite wayy too. YesShade was rite. The lip on the other cage held it out. Just popped the other bearing in clutch sits deeper. I’ll re use the old bearing. I’m not swapping lobes out. Now to do something with the fibers... Edited October 25, 2020 by Wheeler 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fishfiles 20,145 Posted October 25, 2020 I'm on my 4th cup of coffee myself , my mind ain't thinking right yet , did your Friday night yesterday in the evening these are a copy of pics off e-bay of non OEM bearings , the cages are different , seems your looks like the flywheel side bearing , it has a lip 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wheeler 2,525 Posted October 25, 2020 Yup good times. $80 spring... I accidentally broke the spring on the old bearing. Needed the one off the flywheel bearing.. oh how I love this. I’m going back in house for another coffee... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wheeler 2,525 Posted October 25, 2020 Well I looked at things.. I tried swapping the new weights to the OEM backing plate. I then measured everything.. she was tight. I highly the weights with a 120 flapper wheel. Kept the grooves for the oil. It’s still tight but spins freely.. so gonna have to try it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadetree 5,867 Posted October 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Wheeler said: Yup good times. $80 spring... I accidentally broke the spring on the old bearing. Needed the one off the flywheel bearing.. oh how I love this. I’m going back in house for another coffee... pretty sure you can use the spring from the other bearing ?. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadetree 5,867 Posted October 25, 2020 5 hours ago, Fishfiles said: the starter clutch one way bearing #3 that is in the flange and bolts to the back of the flywheel is no longer available from Honda , the centrifical clutch one way bearing #26 is still available ------- could the bearing on both sides be the same or similar and the mounting flange of the starter clutch side be the difference ----my 95 300 engine is apart and on the table right now , the flywheel is still off and the clutch is still out , I could snap some pics and take some measurements ----I know Wheeler seems like he is by this , could be good to know in the future fish is correct, i had it backwards on which one is discontinued. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wheeler 2,525 Posted October 25, 2020 Got it back together. Doesn’t move in gear now. May have to adjust the clutch on the side as I messed with it yesterday. I’ll do that when I load it up tomorrow. Yes the spring worked perfect on the old bearing. so now we know. Do NOT use the flywheel bearing on the clutch side. IF u ever replace the weights with aftermarket ones, u may need to sand them down to fit. All good now guys. thanks for all the help/advice/input! 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadetree 5,867 Posted October 25, 2020 Just now, Wheeler said: Got it back together. Doesn’t move in gear now. May have to adjust the clutch on the side as I messed with it yesterday. I’ll do that when I load it up tomorrow. Yes the spring worked perfect on the old bearing. so now we know. Do NOT use the flywheel bearing on the clutch side. IF u ever replace the weights with aftermarket ones, u may need to sand them down to fit. All good now guys. thanks for all the help/advice/input! good deal, now...is the check in the mail ?..lol. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wheeler 2,525 Posted October 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, shadetree said: good deal, now...is the check in the mail ?..lol. I contribute to the donations.. that count? Lol 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadetree 5,867 Posted October 25, 2020 Just now, Wheeler said: I contribute to the donations.. that count? Lol yes sir !..lol. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fishfiles 20,145 Posted October 25, 2020 I think I will have a Labatt Lite today to celebrate with you , long distance 1 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBRider 1,407 Posted October 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Fishfiles said: I think I will have a Labatt Lite today to celebrate with you , long distance Omg thats just bad...🤮 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
