jeepwm69 7,619 Posted April 15, 2020 29 minutes ago, _Wilson_™ said: yes! , for tampering with a vihicle it's a felony. glad this was brought up. But is an ATV considered a "vehicle" according to that law? I say that because quite a few ATV's don't have a speedometer or an hour meter at all (they're more or less an option), so given that, I don't see how ATV's are regulated when it comes to such. I understand that some would finagle the readings to sell a used bike under false pretenses, but again, with a new or different meter being available and easily swapped in, I don't think the "law" applies here. If so, you wouldn't be able to buy a meter with zero miles on it from any Honda dealer and install it on a machine. For that matter, you can buy all kinds of old Jeep CJ speedometers on ebay, and could swap one in easily enough. It's illegal to roll back an odometer, but is it illegal to replace a broken speedometer/odometer? Let's face it, crooks are going to be crooks, and honest folks are going to be honest. Caveat Emptor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slowindown 494 Posted April 15, 2020 (edited) There is nothing wrong with merely reprogramming a meter on an ATV. If one were to have their’s changed to trick someone into buying it for a higher price and because of that someone bought it, then the seller has engaged in fraud. But AKATV is not assisting people in doing that. Jeepwm69 is spot on. Edited April 15, 2020 by slowindown Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AKATV 822 Posted April 15, 2020 (edited) 44 minutes ago, _Wilson_™ said: yes! , for tampering with a vihicle it's a felony. glad this was brought up. 56 minutes ago, Fishfiles said: Till it was mentioned ^^^ , I never thought about the aspects of flipping the ATV after having the speedo repaired with a lower amount of miles and hours , hmmm !!! Since that was brought up ^^^ it did make me think of , isn't it against some kind of law to "mess" with a speedometer , not that ATVs are anything like a truck or car , but a speedo is a speedo , unless it is that blue speedo Shade wears when he is riding his blue 350 Nope- its perfectly fine to repair/reprogram speedometers on my end What you choose to do with it, and how, is where it has the potential to be against the law The owner is free to do what he wants with his own vehicle and speedometer-he owns it It is it up to the owner, to notify upon sale, of any mileage correction, change or error on that vehicle/speedometer The same thing is required when putting new speedometer on when you sell it Misrepresenting mileage on any vehicle being sold is against the law When this "hoopla" went on before on the "other" forum, I went straight to the DMV and asked what was, and what was not legal If you look online there are many other speedometer repair services available-and they have the laws/legal posted Feel free to check them out - I just do it cheaper and quicker 😃 $45.00 and 1 day turnaround.......... http://www.bluegauges.com/mileages.htm https://socalspeedometer.com/ https://www.bobsspeedometer.com/1/120/index.asp etc....etc...etc.. Edited April 15, 2020 by AKATV 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AKATV 822 Posted April 15, 2020 31 minutes ago, jeepwm69 said: But is an ATV considered a "vehicle" according to that law? I say that because quite a few ATV's don't have a speedometer or an hour meter at all (they're more or less an option), so given that, I don't see how ATV's are regulated when it comes to such. I understand that some would finagle the readings to sell a used bike under false pretenses, but again, with a new or different meter being available and easily swapped in, I don't think the "law" applies here. If so, you wouldn't be able to buy a meter with zero miles on it from any Honda dealer and install it on a machine. For that matter, you can buy all kinds of old Jeep CJ speedometers on ebay, and could swap one in easily enough. It's illegal to roll back an odometer, but is it illegal to replace a broken speedometer/odometer? Let's face it, crooks are going to be crooks, and honest folks are going to be honest. Caveat Emptor. Well said. It was also pointed out to me at the DMV that that this is the reason NADA price guide for used ATVs does not have a mileage option for pricing, they just go by the year since the speedometer and or hour meter is an option on some models, as you pointed out. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_Wilson_™ 6,567 Posted April 15, 2020 48 minutes ago, jeepwm69 said: But is an ATV considered a "vehicle" according to that law? no, i wouldn't think the law applies here, ether .. https://www.justice.gov/civil/case/federal-odometer-tampering-statutes i was answering fishes question, tampering with a legit vihicle is. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_Wilson_™ 6,567 Posted April 15, 2020 @slowindown when did anyone say it was wrong ? or, that he was doing wrong ?? no one that i can see .... besides ... the smart guy looking to purchase a used atv does not go by hours or miles ... but rather the condition of the machine ... maybe how many sets of tires ?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slowindown 494 Posted April 15, 2020 19 minutes ago, _Wilson_™ said: @slowindown when did anyone say it was wrong ? or, that he was doing wrong ?? no one that i can see .... besides ... the smart guy looking to purchase a used atv does not go by hours or miles ... but rather the condition of the machine ... maybe how many sets of tires ?? Huh? No one that I saw said it was wrong. I certainly didn't say anyone said it was wrong. Did I? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadetree 5,884 Posted April 15, 2020 only time i install a brand new meter ?, is when i do a complete engine over haul ( which is most of the time ! ), other than this ?, i don't replace them to sell for lower miles. but like i said, i put new on my atv projects when i rebuild the engine, and thats a 100% chance,,as most atvs i buy are basket cases !..lol. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fishfiles 20,145 Posted April 15, 2020 It sure does open up a gray area of conversation ! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_Wilson_™ 6,567 Posted April 16, 2020 nope ..... never said you did , nor anyone else, lol! but as stated the topic sure has turned grayish .... personaly if it was me .... I'd learn to do it myself ... for my own machine .(THAT I WOULD NOT SELL ) ... and in the second place it was a bad choice for them to be designed to be reprogrammable for milage / hours ... that being said ... i don't see one thing wrong with a screen repair. question ... is there not a tamper seal of some sort that shows the meter has been opened up ? third ... if had to replace the meter on a used machine .... i would document the milage / hours and date via, pictures, or video of the old meter ... along with dates of servicing, including the hours, and miles written down. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadetree 5,884 Posted April 16, 2020 2 hours ago, _Wilson_™ said: nope ..... never said you did , nor anyone else, lol! but as stated the topic sure has turned grayish .... personaly if it was me .... I'd learn to do it myself ... for my own machine .(THAT I WOULD NOT SELL ) ... and in the second place it was a bad choice for them to be designed to be reprogrammable for milage / hours ... that being said ... i don't see one thing wrong with a screen repair. question ... is there not a tamper seal of some sort that shows the meter has been opened up ? third ... if had to replace the meter on a used machine .... i would document the milage / hours and date via, pictures, or video of the old meter ... along with dates of servicing, including the hours, and miles written down. if there is a seal ?, its not to tell if the miles or hours have been tampered with ?, it will be for warranty reasons. like it was said ^^^, if a crook wants to be dishonest about hours/miles on an atv, WHATS STOPPING THEM FROM BUYING A BRAND NEW METER/DISPLAY ????..nothing !!!!. a good point though, if a buyer can't tell by looking at an atv, and see the wear on it , and it does not match the miles/hours ?, then they dont need to be on one !..rofl. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Whiterain 0 Posted May 12, 2020 I have an 02 Honda 350 that the digital display doesn't work. How do I know if it's repairable and if I can ship it to you. The orange backlight works but the buttons don't change anything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AKATV 822 Posted May 12, 2020 Post a picture of what display looks like- I can fix it it or there is no charge I have not had one yet I have not been unable to fix, worst case is it will need a new glass I will PM you my direct contact information 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Whiterain 0 Posted May 12, 2020 I will definitely do this now. Thank you so much. Do you have any idea of approximately how much the repair might be? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AKATV 822 Posted May 12, 2020 Usually a flat 45.00 , but lets make sure your display isnt sunburnt etc... or the circuit card is not water damaged etc. I have these repairs down pat, so theres not too much I cannot fix on them at this point, save for a cracked glass which can also be replaced 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Whiterain 0 Posted May 12, 2020 Wonderful. I'll get you pics tomorrow and send them to you. Thanks again for your help. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AKATV 822 Posted May 12, 2020 If you check you separate messages, you should have my direct contact information Shoot me confirmation text and we can get things rolling Take care 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yeeter 1 Posted July 31, 2020 @AKATV i have a 2000 450s, the display is lit but blank. The neutral/reverse lights work as well... was wondering how much you would charge to fix it? Was recommended by someone off of the facebook group. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AKATV 822 Posted July 31, 2020 (edited) Hi I can fix it for you, the 450S has a few quirks of its own Post a few pictures of what it is or is not doing and any history on it such as water damage, sunburn damage to display etc and we can take it from there. If you are not sure, you can just send pictures I sent you my contact information to your message box as well Thanks and talk with you soon Edited July 31, 2020 by AKATV 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bryant 0 Posted August 3, 2020 Akatv I have a 2003 500 foreman that I need the speedometer fixed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tim-In-ND 0 Posted August 21, 2020 Very nice repairs. Will be contacting AKATV once the forum allows direct message. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AKATV 822 Posted August 21, 2020 Thanks for the thumbs up ! I think messaging will work, unless you just joined up,then there may be a limitation, minimum post requirement, etc.. I sent you a message with my contact info just in case Can you post a few pics here, so we can see whats going on and pinpoint what issues you are having There is not much I cannot fix on the Foreman 450S/ES and Rancher 350ES displays at this point The biggest problem is if you need a new inner display glass if yours is cracked or has black looking "ink spots" I can replace that as well, but am low on spare used parts at this time and will have to find some old parts units Let me know exactly whats going on and we can get you fixed up 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chipper 5 Posted August 22, 2020 @AKATV I have a 04 Honda Foreman ES TRX450FE4. Nuetral/reverse lights at the top work but display is blank. When I flip the lights on the background lights up with black blotches. I’m assuming these are the “ink spots” you are referring to in your above post. I bought it in this condition so I don’t have much prior history for you. I know it wasn’t garage kept prior to me so it could be anything. You think you would be able to fix? If so shoot me your price/contact info? Not a necessity for me to get fixed, but i would be willing to do it for a decent price. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AKATV 822 Posted August 22, 2020 Thanks for the pictures I can get you taken care of no problem, looks like you have sunburn damage, possible water intrusion I sent you my contact info in a message if you like to get it repaired If for some reason I am unable to there is no charge Been doing this for years now and have seen just about everything imaginable -lol 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
04foreman450 5 Posted August 23, 2020 Hello AkAtv. I’m new to the forums and it won’t let me message you. I need my screen repaired, it lights up yellow when the lights are turned on but the hours, miles etc aren’t visible Share this post Link to post Share on other sites