Splitting Cases... Literally!

[Wheeler 2,525]

I believe my intuition was correct & I wouldn’t have had any issue. This is how it looked. I put it on thin, keeping it to the outside, so it may have appeared to many as it squeezed in like it did out. 

[shadetree 5,867]

23 minutes ago, Wheeler said:

I’ll have er back apart this am, calling Honda to see if they can order me in the one gasket in lieu of another $65 gasket set. I’ll be calling Total Seal as well. I will pick up some 3M red pads & copper spray today as too.

 

I hate learning at a cost... never fails...

 

any other tips, suggestions or things I should know or do on putting er back together?

 

 

Thanks to all, for your advice & knowledge.  

 

 

i think your just learned the best tip we/us/anyone could ever teach you ?, YOU LEARNED BY MAKING A MISTAKE !!!!!. trust me, i have been doing this 29 yrs ( going on anyway..lol ), and i still make mistakes all the time !..lol. dont feel bad bro, live, learn, move on...get better at what you do..THAT'S HOW YOU LEARN !.

[shadetree 5,867]

2 minutes ago, Wheeler said:

I believe my intuition was correct & I wouldn’t have had any issue. This is how it looked. I put it on thin, keeping it to the outside, so it may have appeared to many as it squeezed in like it did out. 

and what iffffffffffff...you were wrong..and it was full inside ?, then your motor locked up...how would you feel about your instincts then ????..i know how i'd feel ?..one pizzed off puppy !..lol.

[jeepwm69 7,608]

Nothing like getting one all the way back together and then having something off, and having to do it all over again.

 

Been there, done that, got a whole shelf full of trophies from it!

[Wheeler 2,525]

Lol ya really sucks. But shades right. If I was wrong & it ended up like fishes screen, be even worse. 

[Wheeler 2,525]

Awesome, love it! $98us for 2 sets of rings, & $86cnd for another full gasket set as the one gasket is discontinued. Swear to gawd this 300 has more $$ spend on it over a new truck. Got the 3m cookies & copper coat. I’ll get the cases all prepped again today. 

[shadetree 5,867]

3 hours ago, Wheeler said:

Awesome, love it! $98us for 2 sets of rings, & $86cnd for another full gasket set as the one gasket is discontinued. Swear to gawd this 300 has more $$ spend on it over a new truck. Got the 3m cookies & copper coat. I’ll get the cases all prepped again today. 

future words of wisdom grass hopper !, most gaskets ( spec center gaskets ! ) if ya hadn't used that yamabond/hondabond on the gaskets ?, you could have re-used it from the get-go !. same goes for all the other engine gaskets IF ya don't put sealant on them ?!!, i do it here and there, have to pull a clutch cover off , stator cover off, or heck, even rip the cases back apart ?!, and i've had really good luck re-using the new gaskets !. if your very careful when you pull them back apart ?, 9 out of 10 times, you wont rip them enough to matter, or even at all ?, and can re-use them.

[Fishfiles 20,145]

I don't know about Canada , I just found quite a few after market center case gaskets that were sold individually   on e-bay for as low as $10 with shipping

[TRX Student 151]

On 4/26/2020 at 11:13 PM, Wheeler said:

Yes I know shade..seems strange, but I never heard it break, seen it break ect. NO IDEA how I didn’t notice & got it together. It was the second ring. Just glad I found it!

Is it one of the old ones you replaced that broke?

[shadetree 5,867]

2 hours ago, TRX Student said:

Is it one of the old ones you replaced that broke?

that crossed my mind, was it the old ring ?..lol.

[Wheeler 2,525]

No, I verified the old rings were all intact. It was indeed the #2 compression ring.... 2 new sets will be here monday.

[Wheeler 2,525]

Just got home from work last nite. Quad season here is in full swing & I'm dead in water! 

 

New gasket kit & rings arrived. Here goes take two. I’ll clean the cases up, have copper coat spray & will not use Honda Bond on center or clutch case cover. Fingers crossed all goes well. 

Edited May 6, 2020 by Wheeler

[Wheeler 2,525]

Thank you guys!!! I will admit that after using the cookie to clean everything up nice & shiny, that YES there was remnants of the Honda Bond inside.  It was super clean & degreased using brake kleen. Then I sprayed the gasket with the copper coat & got the case on. Just have to install the bolts & torque back down to 7ft/lbs now. 

Edited May 6, 2020 by Wheeler

[Wheeler 2,525]

Do u all think I’m safe to reuse the base & head gasket. It was torqued down.... or should I just toss a new set on?

 

nvm.. dumb question... I’m installing new & I’ll keep the others as spares. 

Edited May 6, 2020 by Wheeler

[Wheeler 2,525]

brutal... I forgot to install the cam chain guide... had to pull the head back off.. But should be fine now....... Oil pump on, clutch going on now......

[Wheeler 2,525]

I need help. This is what I feared... I cannot get the shift drum cup on the way the manual says...

 The one pic shows how it was, then u can see the bolt hole doesn’t line up..

 

[shadetree 5,867]

48 minutes ago, Wheeler said:

I need help. This is what I feared... I cannot get the shift drum cup on the way the manual says...

 The one pic shows how it was, then u can see the bolt hole doesn’t line up..

 

because your shift drum is turned into gear...lol, face it correct, then turn shift drum when you go to install bolt. why the heck did you use copper spray on the case half's ????..dang nabit..JUST THE GASKET !!!!, use the copper spray on the head gasket ONLY !!!!.

[Wheeler 2,525]

Ok, so just line it up correct & install the cup? Is that what I understand? Why does the manual say to have the knob down? I tried shifting it so it would line up down, but wouldn’t...

[shadetree 5,867]

3 minutes ago, Wheeler said:

Ok, so just line it up correct & install the cup? Is that what I understand? Why does the manual say to have the knob down? I tried shifting it so it would line up down, but wouldn’t...

when you turning the shift drum, ( assuming you have the tranny right ?, and that part installed facing the right way ? ) then that part ( the long leg ) will sit where its suppose to when you get it in neutral. just turn the output shaft when your turning the shift drum, it should change gears.

[shadetree 5,867]

should look just like this pic

[Wheeler 2,525]

On 4/26/2020 at 5:55 PM, SlammedRanger said:

I agree with everyone else here. If your worried about a few gouges i would spray the gasket on both sides with copper spray. Never use anything that takes up extra space. The gasket in this case serves a purpose of a spacer just as much as a seal. Im keeping my fingers crossed everything works out bud! I use the 3m round red pads on a drill. The red cleans it up real well and polishes it more than scratching it.

  
 

@shadetree that’s why I used copper coat... I’m doing best I know how lol. 
 

 

Thank you! Yes it was in gear, & obviously u were correct. I turned output shaft & have it perfect now. I should have known! Tomorrow I’ll get the rest of it together. 

[shadetree 5,867]

1 minute ago, Wheeler said:

  
 

@shadetree that’s why I used copper coat... I’m doing best I know how lol. 
 

 

Thank you! Yes it was in gear, & obviously u were correct. I turned output shaft & have it perfect now. I should have known! Tomorrow I’ll get the rest of it together. 

lol, good deal..i sure hope your taking notes on this ?, there is a pop quiz at the end of class !..lol. 

[bcsman 1,382]

shade gives a very tough test when you have this done and installed so take good notes, you dont want to fail...lol

[Wheeler 2,525]

What goes in this hole? Center of pic behind the clutch? It looks like something was there on my old case & the new to me case... I don’t ever remember removing anything from there! Can’t find anything in the manual..

Edited May 7, 2020 by Wheeler

[Wheeler 2,525]

Got er together. Pulled the other case as it’s had small leak & silicone on one bolt since I bought it..Removed the silicone & look at this mess!!