update: my new saw mcculloch, 16 inch, 35cc, case, bottle of oil, manual, open box, never ran ( hasn't either..i checked it after i took it out of the box )..arrived here today !. some habits are hard to break ?.mine is using a known well made product, and it to me..is like a mercury, and McCulloch that is made in heaven !..lol. here is a couple pic right out of the box. if and when the weather gets better around here ( and at the deer camp )..i'll take this baby down there to start clearing some more tree's where i left off when my other saws bit the dust.